It has less to do with the lore, or game mechanics, and more to do with the actual player base. Usually, if the player base were all clamoring for a feature, Blizzard would take it into consideration and to SOMETHING to make the player base happy. It is good business sense. But in the case of High Elves, it would also make a large chunk of the player base unhappy.
Let's break it down to absolute simplicity and say that 50% of the Player base wants High Elves on the Alliance, and that 50% want them to remain as the Blood Elves of the Horde (correct, lore wise)
Blizzard's choices are to:
Appease the High Elf crowd. 50% of players happy, 50% mad. But they get accused of going back on their word, being reactive, and taking away a huge part of Horde / Blood Elf player identity in order to do something that has already been explained away in both senses of game mechanics (race already exists) and lore (very few high elves with no real cohesion as a race)
or
Stick to the decision that High Elves = Blood Elves, who as a race and kingdom, joined the Horde. 50% players happy, 50% mad. No new outrage because the current stance is already a firm "No." But they hold true to the lore and stances they have established so far, and don't enrage 50% of the player base by folding to demands.
Obviously this is not a 50/50 issue, the amount of people that want High Elves is smaller and I'm sure there is a large "I don't care either way" percentage, but even assuming it was a dead even split, the cons are way worse for putting in high elves than holding to what we have now.
The mere fact that High Elf NPCs exist within the Alliance is not a valid reason to make them a playable race. The Horde has several races that exist as sworn-in members of the Horde, but will not be playable, and the outcry for them is nowhere even close to the cry for High Elves. This included Centaur clans, Ogre clans, The Taunka, and the Hozen.
Void Elves were supposed to be the compromise but unfortunately it opened up an "If you give a mouse a cookie" scenario, and sparked a hailstorm of Now-I-Wants.
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Oh come on not another one of these, really?
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Maghar orcs are literally pulled from another time/dimension, so even if the lore didn't support the inclusion of the silver covenant into the alliance (hint: it does), using it as an excuse would make you the absolute stupidest person in the entire universe.
The reason we probably aren't getting high elves is because whoever thought of void elves is dumb and stubborn. It really is that simple.
The reason we probably aren't getting high elves is because whoever thought of void elves is dumb and stubborn. It really is that simple.
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Have you heard of the High elves?
Aren't they thinking about giving the Void Elves some High Elf features? Not that it means much, given that they were pulled out of the Twisting Nether... both figuratively and literally.
I thought it was because the point of getting allied races is for customization, and high elves look exactly like blood elves
11/08/2018 04:27 PMPosted by ShadoAren't they thinking about giving the Void Elves some High Elf features? Not that it means much, given that they were pulled out of the Twisting Nether... both figuratively and literally.
It's good enough for roleplayers, who I imagine are a healthy percentage of people who complain about high elves.
lets not bring the dead horse out for another beating OK?
What you say is true, in many senses. Although I am not sure why you are bringing it up again. As these threads largely only seam to appear in the general forum these days for the most part.
As for Void Elves, yes I could see how you translate that as the compromise and too a degree it works. However, while Blizzards current stance is a no if they decide at a later time that it makes sense from a business stand point they will change their minds.
The simple truth is while YOU, and others see High Elves/Blood Elves as a Horde Race. They were Alliance in Warcraft 1, 2 and 3, it was not until Arthas destroyed them that they ended up leaving the Alliance and joining the Horde. Not all of their race agreed on this, which is why there are High Elf NPCs on the Alliance.
Now just to put this in perspective, there were requests to allow Orcs to have the non-corrupted skin color back Vanilla/Classic WoW. These request became more frequent back in TBC, when we met not corrupted Orcs in Outlands. Continuing Into Wrath with DKs as the first DKs were Uncorrupted Orcs. These requests were ignored, and went unanswered by Blizzard for years, but here they are. The Mag'har Orcs, as a playable race.
Things change, and in the future who knows. I would like actual High Elves to be playable, as you still cannot customize Blood Elves to have their original eye color. Until they give that to the Horde the option remains open as far as some people are concerned.
As for Void Elves, yes I could see how you translate that as the compromise and too a degree it works. However, while Blizzards current stance is a no if they decide at a later time that it makes sense from a business stand point they will change their minds.
The simple truth is while YOU, and others see High Elves/Blood Elves as a Horde Race. They were Alliance in Warcraft 1, 2 and 3, it was not until Arthas destroyed them that they ended up leaving the Alliance and joining the Horde. Not all of their race agreed on this, which is why there are High Elf NPCs on the Alliance.
Now just to put this in perspective, there were requests to allow Orcs to have the non-corrupted skin color back Vanilla/Classic WoW. These request became more frequent back in TBC, when we met not corrupted Orcs in Outlands. Continuing Into Wrath with DKs as the first DKs were Uncorrupted Orcs. These requests were ignored, and went unanswered by Blizzard for years, but here they are. The Mag'har Orcs, as a playable race.
Things change, and in the future who knows. I would like actual High Elves to be playable, as you still cannot customize Blood Elves to have their original eye color. Until they give that to the Horde the option remains open as far as some people are concerned.
Just stop
With these threads.
Let them air their opinions on the megathread.
With these threads.
Let them air their opinions on the megathread.
Just give me blue eye options already, we all know the Sunwell is arcane and holy energy, it’s only fitting.
High Elves have already happened. Belfs and Velfs are playable. Stop using their narrative.
Your opinionated speculation means nothing.
11/08/2018 04:23 PMPosted by RalanthelIt has less to do with the lore, or game mechanics, and more to do with the actual player base. Usually, if the player base were all clamoring for a feature, Blizzard would take it into consideration and to SOMETHING to make the player base happy. It is good business sense. But in the case of High Elves, it would also make a large chunk of the player base unhappy.
Let's break it down to absolute simplicity and say that 50% of the Player base wants High Elves on the Alliance, and that 50% want them to remain as the Blood Elves of the Horde (correct, lore wise)
Blizzard's choices are to:
Appease the High Elf crowd. 50% of players happy, 50% mad. But they get accused of going back on their word, being reactive, and taking away a huge part of Horde / Blood Elf player identity in order to do something that has already been explained away in both senses of game mechanics (race already exists) and lore (very few high elves with no real cohesion as a race)
or
Stick to the decision that High Elves = Blood Elves, who as a race and kingdom, joined the Horde. 50% players happy, 50% mad. No new outrage because the current stance is already a firm "No." But they hold true to the lore and stances they have established so far, and don't enrage 50% of the player base by folding to demands.
Obviously this is not a 50/50 issue, the amount of people that want High Elves is smaller and I'm sure there is a large "I don't care either way" percentage, but even assuming it was a dead even split, the cons are way worse for putting in high elves than holding to what we have now.
The mere fact that High Elf NPCs exist within the Alliance is not a valid reason to make them a playable race. The Horde has several races that exist as sworn-in members of the Horde, but will not be playable, and the outcry for them is nowhere even close to the cry for High Elves. This included Centaur clans, Ogre clans, The Taunka, and the Hozen.
Void Elves were supposed to be the compromise but unfortunately it opened up an "If you give a mouse a cookie" scenario, and sparked a hailstorm of Now-I-Wants.
Gods … you really don't even get what the ask is. No one is asking for Blood Elves to be taken away. Hush now ….. the grown ups are talking.
<eyeroll>
I'm fairly certain that, at this point, more anti-Helf threads have been posted than pro.
I can almost guarantee it. The high elf threads have been, for the most part, contained to the megathread.11/08/2018 04:48 PMPosted by KelrexiaI'm fairly certain that, at this point, more anti-Helf threads have been posted than pro.
11/08/2018 04:48 PMPosted by KelrexiaI'm fairly certain that, at this point, more anti-Helf threads have been posted than pro.
I'm fairly certain you're wrong.
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My favorite is the meme about "Well they said there'd never be Classic WoW..." to keep the hope that, after 10 years of being told "No" by 3 different Game Directors and several developers, Blizzard will relent. But a) they did not say "Never", just that they had zero interest in diverting resources away from the current version of WoW to resurrect Vanilla and b) the Library of Congress forced their hand with potential changes to the DMCA which could have resulted in Vanilla WoW losing copyright protection under the law.
11/08/2018 04:48 PMPosted by AedridNo one is asking for Blood Elves to be taken away.
Nor did I say that. I said giving High Elves as playable to the Alliance would take away from the Horde / Blood Elf identity. Which it would. I don't want to see my race copied with blue eyes to the other team.
11/08/2018 05:06 PMPosted by RalanthelNor did I say that. I said giving High Elves as playable to the Alliance would take away from the Horde / Blood Elf identity.
Between Burning Crusade Class Exchange, Pandas and the Great 2018 Elf Swap, is there even any faction identity left aside from preference for different hues of the chromatic spectrum?