Some people remember the old drums in Sunwell and think they were great for some reason. Even though blizzard nerfed them into the ground in Wrath and for the most people ONLY used them in Sunwell once it was discovered. Why people want to use it for the entire game is beyond me.
While there are two “options” to solve this, I don’t think making them raid wide is the best solution. The reason I said add Tinnitus debut is because that was what Blizzard realized was the best solution in the pre patch of WOTLK.
Making drums raid wide is effectively a buff, we are 15 years better at the game, we don’t need any buffs. Tinnitus would effectively be a small nerf, that still allows those who want to be LW to be LW, but doesn’t make it mandatory. I think that is the better path.
muh parses/cancerous meta, why else?
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Because parses. Mark my words they will be a requirement for any reasonably competitive guild.
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What I HOPE they’re saying is that the regular drums will be 8 yards with the cast time… Then Greater Drums are 40 yards and Instant Cast… But again, this doesn’t change anything to how it was in TBC. Everyone in my guild switched to LWing in ZA, and I don’t see that changing now.
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Impressive, yall actually managed to make the problem worse. If the “Greater” version is just the final version from tbc but with more materials required, people will still get them and just pay more. I hope you reconsider.
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This sums out how I feel. I’d like to see drums nerfed because players need fewer buffs, not more. The side effect is it opens up more profession options for people since JC, engineering, and enchanting are pretty competitive with each other.
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Because the game is about parse culture now and speed clear timers. So it will be mandatory for entire 25 man teams to be LWing.
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Make your own guild that clears content at a casual pace and doesn’t require using drums. Win/win scenario for everyone.
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I guess the way they are making it is more like how it was in orginal TBC but i cant say its a better change.
Remember, this is the same company that refused to fix AV, even when it was the single most requested change to classic.
Don’t forget the winter veil presents debacle.
As such, this is no surprise to me. Blizzard have proven time and time again to be tone deaf, and they sure don’t listen to their community.
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You ignored what I said, it’s not a win/win because the community is toxic. It doesn’t matter if “my guild” is “casual” and doesn’t require drums. You get craptalked nonstop for having a raid team without drums, you get blacklisted out of pugs, you don’t get into dungeon runs. That’s what this community has turned into, it’s what’s happened in Classic too. The game isn’t about “playing the game”. The game has turned into a toxic environment that allows people like you to think that it’s ok to treat everyone else poorly and it’s about time things change.
Clearly you’re in the minority based on this thread, so maybe you should take your own advice and accept the change that the vocal majority want.
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No dude, they are actually making it worse and more annoying to use when they said they wanted to make LW feel less mandatory. All it does is making the regular drums 8 yards radius until ZA, then in ZA you get Greater Drums which requires 375 LW instead of 350, more mats just to get the 40 yards radius that the regular drums became in 2.3 anyway. Again, how is this making it less mandatory exactly?
Just don’t change drums at all instead of adding this stupid “fix”…
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Agreed. It’s basically a change that makes no change…
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Or stop encouraging/enabling this BS meta since it corrupts everything it touches.
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I’m laughing at how much this topic is blowing up here and in my Guild Discord at the moment. In Classic now people say the World Buff meta isn’t compulsory, but it can be the difference between a one night Naxx clear and something that stretches out a couple nights. Doesn’t matter if you are a every night of the week WoW player like myself, but for those working mums and dads in my guild it makes or breaks whether they show up regularly or not. Unless they remove the LW requirement to use or add the tinnitus debuff drums will just be the new WB meta smh…
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Just wait until these guys find out about leveling and dropping enchanting for ring enchants. It’s a slippery slope and no changes is the best philosophy. If you don’t like TBC, may I recommend retail?
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Seems like you all over complicated things and missed the mark entirely.
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And yet no changes failed miserably for Classic 
they’ve already stated they’re done listening to that garbage philosophy moving into BC.
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Yeah because the retail team is way better at math. Have you not seen the disparity of DPS numbers based on class and covenant? 30% or more from last to first. And how grindy it is to have to change it solely because they’re god awful at math (like the way the LW design team was here)?