Blizzard would make more money than they would spend. All the company has to do is follow the exact same process as in 2019-2020. They know the playerbase wants to play through a Fresh Vanilla again. This would draw back in players and acquire more subscriptions for the company. At this point, Blizzard are being actual idiots by not doing it for their own profit.
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The reason they wonāt do it, is because theyāre too embarrassed that an unchanged product created in 2001-2004 would compete too heavily with their failed attempt of SOD/C+
If the population of fresh was even half of SODās, it would be an embarrassment to them.
Itās a pride thing, nothing more.
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Sad if true. Blizzard would make so much money. But it would draw players away from Cataclysm and Season of Discovery. The company would still be rolling in the doughā¦ I donāt think any legitimate human being reads these posts on the forums anyways. Just a bunch of Mecha-Gnome GMs and customer support for the last 5 years.
Blizzard knows and sees the stuff on social media platforms where people are asking for it. They are not tone deaf to it.
So if they do go through with that hardcore fresh in November with no mention of a regular one (ppls ask for fresh standard and not hardcore) then we will have our confirmation that they arenāt gonna release it on purpose. We would prolly never know why.
But arenāt you like playing sod? Why would you want fresh if you love sod
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Fresh would merc SoD, tho Era is a force of nature; its too Good that players on existing realms arenāt likely to quit.
You may be wondering if some of us would play Fres, and I suspect quite a few of us would be; its a lot of fun.
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Iām currently playing SoD because itās the only available form of Classic progression. On Classic Era servers, thereās just GDKPs and players geared to the teeth in PvP. SoD is currently on Molten Core, World Bosses, and Dire Maul. Next patch weāre getting Blackwing Lair, ZulāGurub, and potentially a new dungeon. Iād switch to Fresh Classic in a heartbeat. Aināt going to happen until sometime after SoD is over if it even is going to ever happen.
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I see. Yeah I had always thought that there is a portion of SOD players who merely play sod because itās just āthe progressiveā vanilla atm so to speak.
I think most ppl agree era isnāt for everyone. For example if I played era regularly I wouldnāt be playing it the same way I do a fresh progression (It is just naturally harder for me to stay hooked) Not that either is better than the other, I just prefer p1-4 wpvp and the ranking rush and then I taper off and play less from p5 on. There are an abundance of different premades to vs on freshes etc. Iād actually be leveling a completely new toon rn on Whitemane ally but I chose to take a break from wow for a bit.
This is why I am suspicious they wonāt launch fresh while doing these seasons. Itās pretty easy to see sod is not attractive to a lot of people. As a pvp guy I actually detest sod. And a fresh classic is pretty fail proof and people who quit sod would obviously do that instead as well as strip half of the sod playerbase on launch. Any changes you make to the base game always risks portions of players quitting because of said changes and classic regular doesnāt have that. You like it or donāt
Iām curious as to why this is? Are you not a fan of the P5-P6 raids? (AQ40/Naxx)
Or is it something to do with the classes themselves starting to feel too overpowered versus the game world/dungeon content? Or does it just feel like progression has āendedā once all the content is out? Those are just considerations/inquiries based on what you already wrote, but feel free to explain if itās something different entirely.
He likely feels the same way I do about it.
The classes simply play better and the game is more PVP balanced around that gear level. Everything past BWL is more or less a clown show in terms of balance.
Ironically even AQ+ Meta is still better than anything thatās come since, so there is that. I personally enjoy it, but the Pre-AQ meta is just better because weapons and gear arent both hyper optimized and massively over budget by Naxx level.
Naxx loot is quite factually better than most Dungeon gear in TBC; thatās how nuts it is. AQ gear is comparable to most Dungeon loot in TBC.
This is why AQ+ PVP meta is a far less amazing than Launch till the gates open.
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Itās not that I donāt like the raids, itās that the entire ecosystem as a whole transitions into full blown raidlog mode. Iāll explain:
P1-4 Carries the stage of the server where players are in āstockpile modeā. Where all the world farming, dungeon farming is at its highest. Ungoro and black lotus farming is a huge epicenter for wpvp. When I talk about farming I also too mean honor farming and ranking. It is a lot more prosperous in the early phases.
Once you get to p5, most people who play the game have massive stockpiles of stuff for the rest of the server and the game just goes into maintenance mode. Thereās less pvp in bgs, less in the world, people are just doing much less at this phase.
Itās not so much the power levels of p5-6 gear, and that reality does exist, but to me is a smaller portion of the bigger picture. I donāt really think classes āare op in this gearā but it definitely feels better before we get to that point sure.
The āfight for powerā for you as an individual or group or guild is more of a reality before the end phases. Usually when the pvp slows down I just get bored and raidlog and then at a certain point Iāll just stop playing. (I need both pve and pvp together and healthy or I just donāt stay hooked to the game. I am not a good raidlog player I will eventually just quit)
Hope thatās a better answer.
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fresh is bis , drop it now blizzard 
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The fact that fresh classic would kill SOD dead instantly might be an indicator that its NOT GOOD CONTENT.
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We want fresh vanilla #no changes, please.
Delete boons, and use the old ranking system.
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SoD is insanely bad because itās designed in a retail style. Look at the population what a joke.
The main reason is that it killed all the vanilla spirit.
#1 running around to grind consumables, gears, rep, rankings.
#2 In SoD, you get bis gears in a few days or weeks. In vanilla, you get bis gears in a few months or even never.
Vanilla keeps people playing, endless content, ranking, world bosses, and farming. SoD you finish the content in days/weeks or less.
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I donāt agree, right now. They have new War Within, Cata Classic, SoD, and Era going on. Sure a lot of people will play fresh but itās a lot of people who already are paying for subs. How many new subs would join?
Alternatively, if Iām a blizzard money maker, Iām looking to deploy Fresh when I need a stimulus boost. Why do it when the tides are high? Wait till we didnāt just launch a few new games recently and I see data showing my subs are at a huge decrease, and get even more players to resub for minimal effort.
And the longer fresh is drawn out? The more people want it back. The more people will come back. People are still burned out from so many versions of wowā¦ I canāt blame them for waiting for fresh until that stimulus boost makes sense, not just because active playing players keep asking for it.
Fresh TBC when
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2025 summer to fall is a good timeline as SoD and Cata will be done by then.
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