Villanious and doing bad stuff aren’t necessarily the same thing, and I know you’re smart enough to know the difference between the two.
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That’s fair. The Alliance has made it’s fair share of mistakes.
But the Horde keeps bringing up things that induvial did without the endorsement or support of the Alliance, and trying to paint it as Alliance genocide and subjugation, just because Horde players are so desperate to have the villain spotlight on someone that isn’t them.
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Right. Because it happens in history that gives the Alliance free reign to do it too and not be held accountable for it.
It’s like you’re actually trying to double down on your double standards. 
Curious why Magni allowed us to have the Heart of Azeroth then. Either we stopped mining at the wound or Magni’s just that dumb.
I’m going to assume the former considering you go to the wound now and you see no goblins mining anything.
However it’s clear that mining Azurite in other places of the planet is still frowned upon seeing as there are quests to put a stop to it.
None of this changes the fact that even if they doing it to fight the Horde, Alliance still mined Azurite after the fact and thus they still broke their promise not to.
Yet they get a heart of Azeroth too so it’s not like Magni’s angry about it.
/shrug
Weird.
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We have no reason to believe that isn’t standard practice for Horde and Alliance.
When it comes to AWOL soldiers, their crimes are their own. Not the Alliances.
Maybe he didn’t? Maybe the canonically champion is Alliance?
Maybe that’s just game mechanics.
You keep wanting to push blame on the Alliance for things the Horde is responsible for.
The alliance biggest war crime is being so terrible at war they had to get the writers backhand waving that they won to win.
But but, they have a space ship! they should have won easily because… Space ship!
(please ignore the fact that the blood elves alone were able to easily dunk on the Draenei’s space ships previously)
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And you still continue to ignore the fact that the alliance did indeed mine Azerite. Nothing is going to change that. This is the kind of stuff I’m talking about. Stop ignoring what the alliance did because horde bad.
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What exactly did the Alliance expect would happen when they conscripted criminals as soldiers? Perfectly reliable and obedient foot soldiers ready to serve?
You can’t possibly be that naive.
Alliance didn’t defeat G’Huun. Horde did. And they had a heart of Azeroth while doing it.
Canonically, they both have a pendant, until I see official Blizzard statements contradicting this.
I want Alliance to own up to their own misdeeds and stop trying to dodge around the guilt. Like I said, it’s not like there are that many to worry about.
We just had it. It’s a novel called “Shadows Rising” where the most morally questionable thing a Horde character did through the entire novel was not talking about where a dark ranger was going (at least not until it got tortured out of her anyway).
I’m not sure if you’re aware of this or not, but not testifying on a crime that you witnessed isn’t a crime. Torturing people however is considered a crime in most civilized countries.
/shrug
Maybe the Alliance isn’t a civilized country anymore?
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I am not ignoring it. I am acknowledging that their reasons for doing so was only because the Horde declared war on them. Winning the war against the Horde was necessary to Azeroth’s survival.
Military can reform a person.
But admittedly, this sort of thing happens with normal soldiers anyway. Which is why I say it’s an unfortunate fact of life.
Really? Did they have 25 Hearts of Azeroth? One for every Champion?
Or maybe is this just game mechanics, and we actually have no idea if the Champion with the Heart of Azeroth actually played a hand in G’huun’s defeat.
False. We know someone has the Heart of Azeroth, we don’t know who.
Its impossible for them to both have it. And it will likely never be confirmed. So your point is moot.
The misdeeds you are claiming are not actual misdeeds they are responsible for.
What is or isn’t a crime doesn’t necessarily correspond with what is or isn’t morally wrong.
I play night elves, so I would rather the Alliance be less civilized as long as I am forced to be apart of them.
I have always thought civilized people are more discourteous than the savage. They can behave as they like without the consequence of their skull being bashed in.
How is mining AZEROTHS BLOOD, necessary for the survival of the planet the alliance is actively killing by mining it’s very essence? It’s BS excuses like this that don’t fly.
Horde can’t kill the planet if we do it first!
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Because without it, the Horde gets a significant advantage in the war effort. And if the Alliance loses to the Horde, then there is nothing to stand in the way of the Horde completely depleting Azeroth of Azerite….
This isn’t that complicated…
The same blood the alliance was weaponizing and planning on wiping the horde out with? Yeah, that excuse doesn’t fly. Do better.
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By wiping out, you mean, stop from wiping out every Alliance city on the map?
Sure.
So, you admit you’re perfectly fine with the alliance comitting genocide, because Horde bad. Gotcha
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Not what I said… Was pointing out that the Alliance only ever used Azerite after the Horde had already invaded.
Cite your sources where the Alliance is planning on wiping out Horde races?
You can’t.
You’re okay with genocide. This is what you said. Stop being so intellectually dishonest
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Neither of which is what happened in this case, so your argument is moot. Alliance conscripted criminals, criminal soldiers did criminal acts. Alliance can try and wash their hands of it but it doesn’t work that way. It’d would be like if you gave keys to a known drunk driver who had their license revoked and tried to claim “It’s Not My Fault!” when they killed someone.
I don’t know. Maybe? I don’t recall ever seeing just how many Hearts of Azeroth were made. Was it just one? Show me where it says this. Maybe we can assume there’s only one but, as you mentioned, there’s nothing saying which hero gets it, Horde or Alliance.
Oh, and Horde still defeated G’Huun. We essentially saved Azeroth from getting infected with a planetary case of something nastier than Ebola and Covid19 put together.
Yes, they are. Alliance chose to conscript criminals as soldiers. They chose to mine azurite when they promised not to. Turalyon and Alleria tortured civilians and Anduin refused to punish them for it.
Since when is torture less morally wrong than choosing to remain quiet? Because it’s Sylvanas they’re chasing and said civilian knew something that amounted to “Dark Ranger went that way”?
Right. 
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So Teldrassil was pretty much the first attrocity ever committed by the Horde?
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What about what I said implies that I am okay with genocide?
Well, one of those things happened…
Well, when the champion of Azeroth used the Heart to kill N’zoth, did that happen 25 consecutive times? If so, why didn’t we see that?
That doesn’t mean the Heart of Azeroth was canonically present.
That’s not a misdeed. It could have just as likely reformed the criminals into respectable people. It just happened not too.
The Alliance was forced to mine Azerite, that’s not a misdeed because it was woth Azeroth’s well being in mind.
Torture is subjective. What sort of torture was it? Were they put on a rotating wheel and their bones broken with a mallet? Were they water boarded? Were they locked in a sensory deprivation chamber.
What torture took place? And how vital was their information?
I would say, harboring Hitler would be worse than water boarding someone.
Oh no, I was just using it as an example. There are many.
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Horde players: “I am sick and tired of the Horde being written like villains, and the Alliance as good guys.”
Me: “The Horde has been written as Villains and the Alliance has been written as good guys.”
Horde players: “REEEeeeEeEeEEeEeEEeEeEe”
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