SO I just tried out ESO for the first time… It has Cyrodiil. Cyrodiil is what WoW is missing in the PvP department… WHy doesnt blizzard make their own version of this? a ever changing, complex, pvp/pve area that involves sieging bases, knocking down castle walls, and claiming territory? It would bring a lot of the PvP players back that left retail for its lack of engaging pvp! (oh and give us back pvp vendors!!)
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Spaghetti code is why.
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I mean, you’re probably right…
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Because WoW players have consistently shown that they’re not interested in that type of gameplay. They’ve tried to make zone control events in the past. They’re tried to make destructible terrain and capturable fortresses and whatnot. And consistently, WoW players have shown that they will, 100% of the time, ignore the objectives and go mosh in a giant fight in the middle of the zone.
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the pvp devs don’t care
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Then create an environment where that wont get you anywhere. If the WoW community is so different than the general MMORPG community, then that just ahows hiw bad WoW has become. WoW has the wost community qhen it comes to expectations from an MMORPG. Its the reason classic has become more popular than retail and it isnt because of “nostalgia”
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Would be nice to have. WHy I don’t really pvp in wow. I just don’t find SSDD of gank gang kills every night intriguing pvp.
My frame of reference would be eve. In 0.0 alliances I fought to take (or defend) space. You make a home then you defend it. And you farm the crap out of your onw private PVE as it were to pay for it all.
Or I did wormholes. Find a hole, make it your home (sometimes you kicked out the people who lived there) and fight and carebear to tastes/need.
Wow…yay. I killed player X for the 5th time tonight. Or they killed me. for the 5 th night in the week.
And what do we get from this. A pvp number…Don’t even get to take the loot off their corpse ffs. Other half of the fun of eve pvp. Seeing what goodies the deceased will give you.
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It would be amazing.
I am about as fanboy as they come but I honestly don’t think this team would be capable of pulling something like this off.
We saw how the “they won’t be mandatory” garrison thing worked, we see how pathfinder works, and we saw their idea on a large-scale PvP zone like Ashran.
Isn’t happening.
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Basically just GW2’s WvWvW. That was not that fun, and when I played, I was in the top of it.
Theres PvP devs? I assumed the interns took over that role?
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Because Cyrodiil is terrible.
We have Ashran, Wintergrasp, and Tol Barad.
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We have Wintergrasp. Look how popular it isn’t.
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interns?
do you unironically think that blizz would pay interns to develop this game?
the current pvp dev team is a machine learning program that ignores the pvp forums, reddit, and any other form of player input and instead learns by observing how many pvpers are playing m+
as you can see, pvpers clearly like pve, so no vendors 
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One of the worst things WoW already does is try to shoehorn everything that people like from other games into this one.
I like pizza! Why doesn’t this hamburger taste like pizza!? You should make your hamburgers taste like pizza!
It’s OK to have hamburgers sometimes and pizza other times. It’s OK to play both WoW and ESO (I do). They don’t have to be the same and they don’t have to steal from eachother.
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They have. What happens is low participation, and eventually they end up scrubbing it in favor of something else.
what are you even saying?
So youre saying blizzard’s horrible pvp should just sit there stale until the last 20% of the pvp community leaves as well?
Blizzard should not cater to the remaining pvpers and lost the rest of them to games like ESO? Im glad youre not a game dev…
Youre allowed your opinion but know that you are the extreme minority. Cryodiil is known as one of the best pvp systems in the mmo market right now…
what are you smoking?
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Source? Because according to the ESO forums or from the people I see qqing about it in game it’s not.
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That’ll be the day.
The pvp community has been leaving retail WoW in droves including the pvp guild im in and almost all of my WoW friends because Retail WoW’s pvp is such garbage (especially the wpvp).
Blizzard needs to do something to keep their pvp focused playerbase…