This isn’t a Baine bashing thread because I think those have reached a fever pitch for the day, but just a thread inquiring as to why this is never brought up. Baine meets with Jaina, who spearheaded the attack on Dazar’alor and killed Rastakhan literally what, a few days ago? And he doesn’t even bring it up? What would Talanji and the Zandalari say if they witnessed this? It’s just really odd and leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
Let’s try to keep it civil and avoiding tempers flaring and keep the Baine bashing to a minimum because I’m just genuinely curious. Is Derek more important than Rastakhan? Is Jaina more important than Dazar’alor? Why does she get to be brimming with righteous anger while Baine looks cowed and guilty after she led an attack on the capital of our newest ally? Why is the entire Horde constantly made to feel guilty for the actions of one individual but the Alliance is vindicated?
She has every right to feel righteous. Baine and anybody with a hint of morality understand there are certain lines that should not be crossed, even in war. Attacking a city and killing the leader isn’t the same as all the war crimes Sylvannas commited. She literally gasses people and destroys entire cities filled with mostly civilians.
Well…from what I’ve seen, it just generally looks like Baine doesn’t care about Horde lives. Blizz has turned him into such an Alliance boot kisser, that the raising of some Kul Tiran nobody who has been dead for ages angers him to the point of aggressive protest, but the killing of Horde soldiers…that is something that he doesn’t even show concern or care about.
Which is weird to say the least. Talanji is out for blood right now, and really, I’ve just gone ahead and started blaming a lot of things on the writers and such, they’re leaving things out when they shouldn’t. Baine is just whiney, Sylvanas is just genocidal, Saurfang is just being…useless.
Baine was never ok with this war from day 1. In his mind, Dazar’alor and Rastakhan’s death were the result of a military operation designed as payback for the Horde’s aggression in Teldrassil, Arathi, and Brennadam.
Raising someone from the dead, robbing him of free will, and then turning him into a sleeper agent is on a completely different wavelength when compared to anything the Alliance has done in this war.
Yea, Baine sees any Alliance attacks as legitimate military targets. Even not-involved-in-the-war hunter clubs where most people are townsfolk because anyone who can fight are away fighting talking pigs
But we’re told constantly that the Zandalari aren’t actually part of the Horde, not joining officially until after Rastakhan’s death in 8.1.5, so why are they subject to a reprisal for attacks they had nothing to do with? Is the Horde allied with the Zandalari? Yes. Does that mean Baine should accept them being a legitimate military target in response to Teldrassil, Brennadam, and Arathi? I don’t think so.
He even offers Talanji his support after the attack so it stands to reason, that logically, he should at least be unhappy about Jaina killing Rastakhan. It would do a lot to quell opinions that think he’s an Alliance agent. It would have been perfect if Baine had actually at least mentioned it. Especially if they’re going to try and market him as a close ally of the Zandalari and Talanji. It’s just stupid to not bring it up, even with Derek there. Why does Derek matter more than Rastakhan?
He shouldn’t. Not to Baine or any other member of the Horde, at least.
And therein lies the root of the problem surrounding Baine’s characterization: his seemingly bizarre apathy towards the Horde and the lives of its people where he comes off as caring more about the Alliance than he does us. This would’ve been the perfect opportunity to nip that in the bud showing Baine actually being angry at Jaina for her actions while at the same time still delivering Derek to her.
What’s there to address? Sylvanas declared war on the Alliance and the Alliance is prosecuting that war to the best of its ability. It’s like walking up to a guy, smacking him in the back of the head, and then complaining when he tries to punch you.
That’s just his thought process as I see it. I never said he was right. Baine’s idealistic, not pragmatic. He’s effectively a worse version of Anduin, because at least Anduin can put aside personal feelings and idealisms for the sake of accomplishing victory when push comes to shove.