Real adults don’t just throw things out there without providing some type of proof during a discussion when others have provided proof that is opposite of your point.
I told him how to do it. His response… google it, then he started throwing insults and made excuses.
All I asked was where did you see that.
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Sadly, people just love throwing false narratives out there and are always like, “It happened”. Then move the goal post, “GM’s intervened”. Then when people posts links of GM’s saying they can’t intervene, they become upset that no one will take their word for it and begin the insult stage of the argument.
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I learned a long long time ago, NEVER take anything said on the forums at face value and without corroboration. The second they get hostile about it, just shows I was correct.
I’m waiting for the “you are a shill, brown noser, GM in disguise” comments that seem to follow.
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Since you apparently need to be reminded…
Game Masters will not address situations where you are repeatedly killed by the opposite faction. This includes situations that may be considered dishonorable such as corpse camping or killing players well below your level.
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Lol. Nice. I find that just turns into a big, keep bringing more people till you outnumber the other side war. I’d rather just be done with the situation in 5 mins.
If you actually read the comment, I never said they did. When did I say that? I said I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s happened at least once, that’s not me saying it ever happened. I’ve read the posts, and they said that in rare cases they might intervene, so in the 17 year history of WoW they probably have before. I don’t know. You don’t either. You and your friend group don’t make up the 10 million+ people that have played WoW since its inception, so you don’t know either, no one here does unless they’ve personally experienced it. You’re not that important that “Never had it happen to me or anyone I know” covers everyone in the game. Your info is just as anecdotal as anyone elses.
Those same posts literally said that in rare situations they do intervene. We all literally agree that for the majority of situations (99.9%) they can’t and wont do anything. It doesn’t mean they haven’t, it also doesn’t mean they have.
I’m not sure why we’re debating their involvement anyway. Literally just trying to get across the point that just because a GM can’t take action, it doesn’t mean you can’t be griefed by players. It’s not hard to understand.
You’re literally misinterpreting what I’ve said in that comment, putting words in my mouth, and having a go at me for something I didn’t say. Please read before you respond.
This is a major reason I did not roll on a PvP server. The maturity of a lot of players makes world PvP a nightmare. I highly suggest switching to PvE
You’ve actually been very insightful and not dismissive in this discussion and I appreciate that. You don’t jump straight to the insults or trolling like most others do. 10/10
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Oh really?
Guess I never read the comments
This is a quote from a GM and if you go and read what has been posted time, and time again throughout the 17 history of wow regarding “corpse camping” you will see it has ALWAYS been the same stance.
I literally replied to your statement that you made. How about you read what you wrote before you claim others have not. If you are going to have a discussion on a public forum then make sure you know what you are talking about.
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That’s me quoting someone else, not me claiming I know what they do. Literally me referencing the post above me that says it.
I don’t know how to quote properly. But taken from the exact same post that Rabid made regarding this, it says “There are situations in which we may intervene, but they tend to be rare and extremely conditional.”
So yes, there are times when they do intervene. And yes, it’s not a common thing at all. How are we still debating this? I’ve agreed to it multiple times after quoting that original comment. If you had read the rest of my comments you’d know I have literally agreed with someone pointing this out. I’m just saying, we don’t know what they’ve done in the past. They aren’t going to tell you specific instances they’ve actioned it. And just because it hasn’t happened to you or I, doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.
You’re still completely missing the point, however. I don’t care what Blizzard does as a response to the problem - my discussion isn’t about Blizzards stance on it, and I’ve said that in multiple posts. I’m saying griefing is still a thing, regardless of action taken or Blizzards stance on it. The definition of the word doesn’t change just because it’s not actionable by a GM. You seem to keep glancing over that part - which is entirely my point.
My last post said the same thing as well, not sure how to get the point across when people are so fixated on what Blizzard does when that’s not even the point I’m trying to make. If someone literally prevents you from playing the game for long periods of time, to no gain of their own other than pissing you off and ruining your time, that’s griefing. PvP or not. Blizzard wont do anything about it, because their policy is anything is fair game. Doesn’t mean it’s not griefing someone.
So yes, there is still plenty that you haven’t read throughout the thread. Quoting me on one thing that I’ve clearly corrected or changed my stance on further into the thread is silly. Someone provided proof, I change my view. That’s how proof works. But you can’t provide me proof that they have NEVER taken action against it in 17 years, I can’t provide proof that they have. But they themselves have said they on very rare occasions they do get involved, so make of that what you will.
I am going to say the last thing as you fail to see the evidence provided to you. The only time they have/would intervene is if an exploit is being used. But no one here is talking about that, players are talking about being killed over and over by the same player. This player calls it “griefing”, we also knw 99% of the time based on the history of the game and the many, many complaints regarding this issue of the years they have always said the exact same thing. On pvp server they do not get involved, period.
The thing I’m quoting had no other context to it when provided by Rabid, that’s why it comes across as a bit unclear. The post where they talk about exploits is a separate thing, not the same post as where they said they intervene under rare circumstance. But sure, I’ll concede this.
Moving past that, do you agree or disagree that certain player behaviour can be seen as griefing (as per the definition of the word) regardless of whether or not Blizzard recognizes and intervenes? I’m talking about the far end of the spectrum where players will literally prevent you from playing for large periods of time, for no reason other than their own amusement at your frustration. I don’t care if you disagree, just curious what you think.
Apologies if I came across as a bit rude, I get a little worked up in debates =P
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No, I do not consider it griefing. While I think it would be frustrating as I have had this happen many times. I have even had to log of for a few hours to get them to go away. usually I just log on another character to either, level up or go kill the campers.
I have corpse camped players but only when they were corpse camping myself, I personally would never sit around camping others as that just seems boring.
Griefing, as someone mentioned above, to me means “something a player doesn’t like”. So to me the word is just a whiney complaint, no insult to you, that players make when things don’t go their way.
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Thanks for the response, much appreciated. Just nice to know where others stand. Least we both agree it’s frustrating as hell haha.
I’m the same, I’d only camp if they did it to me first.
Like we’ve all said, we choose PvP servers because we love PvP, and accept the fact that this stuff happens. Doesn’t mean we can’t get frustrated or annoyed at certain situations!
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I feel that way about alliance on my server. But that’s what you sign up for on a pvp server. You can always transfer to pve if you don’t like the experience.
I got killed by a max level rogue from a sweaty guild like 6 times in a row today-Almost killed him once but i had mobs on me like crazy. Id hide somewhere to eat and rebuff but he’d somehow find me and kill me quickly. I called a friend over to help and he left asap. then in general someone was complaining about him at a place across the whole zone lol. Now if i ever see him again i will def camp him (even though it’s almost impossible to camp a rogue sadly.)
it’s kinda the fun of it. grouping up to kill someone who’s camping is a great feeling, and getting your revenge if you recognize them later on is the best ever
The Alliance on Bigglesworth are afraid to fight back. They are conditioned to lose.
unfortunate to hear. I like a good scrap, I don’t like it when people just give up and roll over.
Well, I appreciate the sentiment, and thank you.
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