Ok, so I was bored this weekend after getting exalted with the Voldunai and Champions of Azeroth (finally!) and decided to go for an achievement I´ve been neglecting due to its cringe worthy nature: “Two sides for every tale” which made me play thru the Alliance storyline, and boy was I surprised. Horde is supposed to be the “evil” faction in their eyes, yet:
Dark Iron dwarves commit mass genocide of goblins in Xibala.
Jaina, of all people, goes to respond to a Horde Invasion in Tiragarde, and we barely exit the boat before she throws some sort of freeze spell on the attackers. At first I thought it was a frost nova of sorts. When I get close, I see that all the orcs were impaled on ice spikes that were raised from the ground and into their stomachs, and were left alive to suffer and die.
Gnomes manipulate an intelligent gorilla into a frenzie killing machine set on destroying the horde
They plant live bombs and assassinate diplomats and emissaries without agression
They invade the home of a racial leader (Gallywix) to try and assassinate him
They invoke forbidden rituals to try and gain the upper edge
There was nothing about the alliance war campaign that makes them the goody two shoes they like to portray themselves. As a matter of fact, after playing both campaigns, they were pretty even steven, regardless of Sylvanas raising Derek. That to me just makes Baine all the more stupid and lame. “Raising someone into undead to commit assassination, thats where I draw the line”. Tell that to the orcs Jaina impaled and left to die. Tell that to the tons of goblins that were burned alive by the dark iron dwarves. Tell that to the emissaries and diplomats assassinated on zandalar without previous agression.
Except that unlike us, there was no one to say “this is too much, this is where i draw the line” on their side and every violent thing was led to conclusion.
Alliance is no better than us, they just like to play victim.
Lists seems legit. Seems to be just the same as the unprovoked nuking civilians at Theramore and the unprovoked sacking of Teldrassil and burning it’s inhabitants alive. Oh and raising them to be mind controlled Forsaken as well
most of us play both sides. and honestly? jaina murdered a bunch of sunreavers and it’s canon but alliance seem to think that’s fine but whine about teldrassil which was a valid military target during war time after aggression from the alliance.
I play both sides, every expansion, and can tell you there are a LOT of Alliance transgressions. But you know what Alliance didn’t do that Horde did? The Warchief committing them. Most of the Alliance are side quests and side stories of slaughter. But they are still there :c Hordes is just front and center cause of the faction leader.
Haha if killing goblins in Xibala is genocide, I guess while killing all those at the time neutral Kul’tirans was genocide as well. Let’s not get too ahead of ourselves with the genocide thing. Listen, Horde did in fact commit actual genocide on the night elves… there’s barely any of them left, meanwhile there’s no indication Goblins have been pretty much wiped out. Also the gorilla did go through the experiments willingly. True manipulation and torture would be what you guys did to that Kul’tiran Captain by raising her into undeath and then attempting to make her betray her kin to the point her mind was broken and she threw up and ran off crying and screaming.
I’m not saying the Alliance is perfect cause it’s not, but trying to put it on even terms with Sylvanas’ twisted Horde throughout BFA is just silly.
but anyways the goblins were mining azerite, you know, the resource that is used to manufacture weapons of war… the rocks that started this whole war…
the horde wasnt exactly there for a hug and cookies, they were there to kill so she killed them first
the gorilla came to them, he actively consented to everything that was happening because he was against the horde. they didnt manipulate him, they wanted him to show restraint but he wanted the horde defeated.
the alliance killed their enemies, those of which who want the alliance dead… if you dont wanna die in a war then dont fight in one?
who is an active leader in a war who also wants to kill other active leaders? see the previous point.
South Shore a green pool of blight. Gilneas invaded by Forsaken with murderous intent with blight barrel catapults then are forced to flee to safety. Dreanei crashing on the planet and Blood Elves go on a murder rampage trying to kill them.
We both have commited things that were not pretty but the horde takes the cake on burning Teldrassil mass genocide and mana bombing Theramore.
1: not a genocide, its a encampment goblins who had every means of fighting back, except against a fire elemental made of pure lava.
its a spell meant for killing people, what you expect? the horde do this all the time… but with spears and even more painful methods.
he was willing to do this because the horde was hunting him and his people, if anything he had a lot reasons to hate them…
its strategy, the whole intent was to prevent the support from the local trolls who would most likely support them.
im not seeing a problem, he encouraged slavery, and even the most corrupt forms of greed…
void magic isn’t forbidden, just not encouraged to be out in the open, like fel magic with warlocks.
and also, didn’t sylvanas start this war and even allows the most evil use of strategy methods?
i mean, she killed civilians and even made horde kill civilians in brannadam…
