I don’t understand this design, like spriests have 3 ccs that don’t dr nor do warlocks. I just don’t see why hunters cannot have scatter and trap no dr
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It didn’t use to. I never was happy with the change on that.
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Well hunters can root, trap, and stun? Not to mention they have mostly all the utilities in the game ranging from stealth, bubble immunity, get out of battle and accidently waste your cds on the pet due to auto targeting, they can heal, they even have a charge, they have the ability to jump away, they can also fight close ranged or far ranged.
I’m not sure what your asking here. I mean what do you want? You want the classic rogues ability to stun lock someone too? You want a tanking hunters and healing spec hunters? A good hunter is hard to deal with 1v1.
Salt?
Rets are hard to deal with 1v1 too
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No, I love hunters. I just feel hunters are already balanced enough, but to the point that they have things they don’t need IMO stealth.
Rets have boom boom, if you know what I mean, but you can easily kite them.
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I suppose so just mm still feels bad. Perhaps it could use different changes than scatter into trap i have no clue. Really wanted to play ranged hunt, not too into sv.
I feel that MM are meant to fight in teams (especially with that 20% hp attack), just like a sniper in real life, once they get you, your done! Hahaha
About half of those things are not things that MM can do, the only spec that has Scatter Shot. Your protest is not for the spec for which this conversation applies.
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this is the hunter forum, who cares about ret they have hoj and repent and blinding light that don’t dr. this for MM
MM doesn’t have a stun doesn’t have a root, doesn’t have base line stealth, the only way to trap is through concussive shot to trap. which isn’t reliable.
it seems very out dated that scatter drs with trap.
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What? Charge, and stun? 7/9 things I said? Did i mention they also have an explosive trap that knocks people back? 8/10. Which part of that is half?
You can only choose 1 of those talents, you cant have all of them. Blinding light? Lol who picks that?
Sorry, I’m not trying to insult your intelligence but did you read any of your talents? Or did you just go on a basic hunter set up guide web site? You guys clearly do have a root thats 5 seconds. Reading doesnt hurt.
Seriously? You’re also complaining about how your stealth isnt good enough? Good hunters know how to use it, shouldnt be hard for a MM who doesnt have a pet.
I’m sorry but you’re probably just not a good hunter.
ok your clearly retarded prolly why you are 1500, this is a pvp talent (scatter shot). MM doesn’t have roots your talking about survival.
jc your stupid LINK ME THIS ROOT PLEASE, you will prolly link me tracker net or harpoon, like what are you even talking about binding shot then knock back shot into trap every 45 seconds and you have to be in the healer face to land a 8 second cc,
you can’t have it all, a 3 second disorient, to land a trap is having it all?
like why are you even here do you play a hunter or have something against this class or just serve the purpose of being a moron?
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You must be super slow -_-. Obviously I do have a hunter, and no I won’t spoon feed you since you obviously give no effort on doing things yourself.
The irony in you calling someone a “moron”. Obviously you don’t know the difference in strength and weakness between all the hunter specs. I bet your that person who rages about everyones class who beats you being OP, just because you can’t grasp the Idea of how other classes mechanics work, Since you clearly don’t understand how yours work.
BTW its called a trap for a reason, use your head. Ty
1500? Ive been gone for 3 years havent even started my arena this season. Sad thing is I just got back, and i still know about your class more than you. I bet you were carried tho Lol
Root: We have an option for a root which has a 45s CD and doesn’t work well on pillar humpers because of how it is applied. Its also in the same talent tier as our root break + only speed boost talent (same talent). As a result only about 1 out of 8 MM hunters can root in any fashion in arena, and only ones that have immediate support from other players to help them escape roots (like paladins).
Trap: Yes, we have traps. This whole discussion is about how impossible it is to get traps off on any ranged or pillar humping target. In other words, of the 3 CC’s you mentioned, of which we only have one, we can’t use it in any reliable way on the targets it matters most in arena (not even close). That is the topic of this thread.
Stun: Don’t got it.
Stealth: Yes, because the other talents in that tier are horribad we have stealth. Its really only useful as an opener though, after that its useless since it is exceedingly difficult to get back in to stealth for an MM hunter. Unfortunately we don’t have ANY tools that compliment it since it isn’t baseline like it used to be, and it has a 1 minute CD that starts AFTER stealth breaks. This last creates very awkward gameplay. Nevertheless, it is good for an opener.
I have to ask though, when was the last time anyone died in the first 5 seconds of any high rated arena game with an MM hunter in the group? I can’t answer that, but I bet it isn’t often. Since that’s the only time its useful, and speculatively it never happens, it is just shy of useless in arena.
bubble immunity: First, its not immunity. You still take damage: dots still tick away, AoE still hits you, etc. Second, unlike a paladin, you can’t really do anything while using turtle. You don’t get a boost to speed, you can’t attack. Unless you have a pocket healer, all it does is prolong the inevitable.
Double deterrence was extremely useful on the other hand, largely because of the psychological effect. You knew if you attacked a hunter and they cast deterrence you would have to wait it out, but if you did, and attacked them again, they would just cast deterrence again. It wasn’t really that much longer of a time than current turtle (2x5 seconds instead of 8 seconds) but it was a huge increase in survivability purely because of that double waiting that people would want to avoid. It was frustrating and that made it useful. It also had a substantially lower CD than Turtle, which also made it infinitely more useful (especially with Crouching Tiger, Hidden Chimera). Of all the classes defensive CD’s (I have played all the classes) turtle is among the worst. I’m not saying it’s useless, but it shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence as “bubble” anything.
waste your cds on the pet due to auto targeting …
I don’t mean to be insulting, but that just means you’re inexperienced. That never happens to me because I pay attention. Now against a demo lock, that can be an issue.
This point really brings up the huge glaring issues of Lone Wolf, but I won’t get into that here.
Heal: we have a 30% heal on a 2 minute CD. Nothing makes it better, or reduces the CD (unless you don’t take stealth). It’s just a weak heal. It is literally the worst healing in the game of any spec except Arms. Though they have Defensive Stance, which I would take in a heartbeat over Exhilaration.
Charge: nope.
the ability to jump away: Disengage is our best ability if you take Posthaste (the one that competes with the root). Unfortunately it is on a longer CD than almost every single gap closer in the game. We can’t really keep away from any melee. It is quite frustrating. We used to be THE kiting class. Now we just aren’t. That is the topic of many other threads on this board.
can also fight close ranged or far ranged: Not sure where you are going with this. This is the definition of a ranged class. In addition to this, most melee can also fight both close and ranged. Melee in general also have so many tools, they can ensure that most fights happen close. Thank god we are not completely incapable of doing damage in that range.
explosive trap: It is a nice ability, when it works. Unfortunately it just doesn’t sometimes. I still haven’t figured out why. I mean, sometimes there is an immunity, but sometimes it just doesn’t go off at all. Nevertheless, it is a nice option as one of our three PvP talents. Of course it doesn’t really save us against most melee, because again, they have more gap closers than we have gap openers, but whatever. It’s fun to pretend that I have power for a second.
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Masoschism: You hit the bulleye. The traps, if they were arrows you could shoot instead with instant effect, hunter class would immensely improve.
I don’t really want that. I like the skill involved with arming time/travel time. But we need other tools to make it work. By itself it can’t work with how easy it is to avoid with the huge visuals traps currently have.
I mean, I can see a trap coming even when I’m not paying any attention to some random hunter in the background and there are 10 people around me. It’s just too easy. Anyone actually focusing on what the hunter is doing can avoid a trap 100% of the time from more than 15ish yards away, even when snared.
you do realize the whole purpose of this thread is because marksmen has no consistent way to trap? I have zero clue what the heck your talking about.
the only way to currently trap is through scatter which Dr’s traps and concussive shot trapping which is inconsistent. I came back at the end of legion I haven’t played since mop and in mop scatter didn’t dr with trap.
like I said you serve the purpose of being a moron because show me how you land consistent traps with this imaginary root you speak of. Also your achievement is from 2015 so you started this season or in 2015? but in reality you stepped into arena in 2009. Achievements don’t matter and I shouldn’t be talking since I’m only 2.3k exp and that was in mop and I hit 2.2k last season as MM on my sargeras hunter.
Masoschism went into super detail about it and yet you will still probably troll.
Hasn’t played in years, but knows better than every hunter on this forum.
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Wow Acolyte, you’re like every idjit that thinks a class has it all, quoting things from different specs that MM doesn’t even have. This thread is about MM hunters, not BM or SV.
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Trust me, I’m sure you have no clue what I’m typing if you can’t even read your talents and see binding shot. But hey, at least you can read achievements? You’re like one of those slow people at a debate that tells the speaker he shouldnt talk about certain studies just because he didnt major in them, nor did he do it, except for the fact that he has the case study in his hands.
Granted you have nothing better to do in life, but hey… I’ll entertain you a bit
I’ve played the game longer than 2009 as far as vanilla(since you want to do creepy history tracing), and truth be told I was a on and off player when 2009 exp started. 2008, I became an on/off player just visiting every expansion to see where the game goes, skipped legion.
You see, some people in life have to go get this thing called a higher education you know a degree? You see, I’m not sure if your IQ is high enough to understand this since you have to create your own fantasy of what I did to make yourself feel better. I guess in your world everyone that plays WoW is just like you with no aspirations. But as far as I can see it, WoW died in 2008 late expansion. Thats when the game became dumbed down for kids like you to play (2009 babies). and yes this is my second account, as I have no history beyond 2008. that 1500+ rating? That came from 2 days of on and off playing around. Dang you got 2200? Dang, thats the average player baseline for this expansion isn’t it 1600-2200? Damn… You average with your 53% win rate and you play arena like its your life since 2009? … Congrats dude, proud of you! I hope you get 2.6k or higher next time? Maybe? Hopefully? Started from the bottom 10 years ago and now your here? Maybe you can also become well known on your server to the point where everyone bothers you to the point when you just start a fresh account again. With possibly even the opposite factions main pvpers on your server knowing you.
Sorry I’m not a baby who needs a badge saying I did something to feel better. I came back 2 months ago, to play an online RPG for fun with old friends, just to slowly find out this is just E-Sports, with toxic kids from COD type games flooding this community.
Masoschism is only detailing the moves with is positives and negatives, hopefully you could read the part about rooting. It’s Okay to have flaws. But hey at least he knows how to make a argument unlike you? Guess where ever you can band wagon you will?
Hunter’s have all the things they need and are already balanced, and arena is based around team play, where you fall short your teammates will cover you. If you can’t see that even if you reached 2200 with your MM hunter then something is wrong. You’re just another horde cry baby. Dang what happened to the times when horde players were more tougher and mature?