Demonic Appetite may not be the best in 2s or 3s arena, but I’ll be damned if it doesn’t make 1v1 or wPvP a joke vs many classes.
DPS classes with a lot of self-healing are always strong, and with Demonic Appetite you get “free” 30% total HP heals (with talents) + 30 Fury every time it procs. And it procs about 6 times per minute.
Which means you’ll get ~180% of your total HP in healing per minute from Demonic Appetite alone. That’s not counting Leech from Meta, or Fodder to the Flame (which heals 55% of your total HP with Demonic Appetite, instead of 25%).
Is Demonic Appetite reduced in PvP? Because it doesn’t seem that way to me.
Why is this talent never seen in top-end PvP builds?
Because we don’t really click chaos strike that much thanks to soulrend, and the best pvp build doesn’t take improved chaos strike so we can’t take demonic appetite anyway; and even if we could, it probably wouldn’t be worth the talent point as we don’t have any to spare with ms and fel eruption being in the spec tree.
Well I didn’t know that shards were nerfed in arena, but now I know why they don’t take Demonic Appetite in 2s or 3s.
But I do not see how taking Demonic Appetite stops you from getting “the Momentum build” considering that all your single target DPS talents are on the left. And besides, you’re not required to have maximum DPS to kill a class in wPvP. You’re far better off sacrificing a little damage for extreme self-healing when it’s not “hard nerfed” like in Arena, right? There is a reason it’s nerfed in Arena: it’s too good.
i really don’t know where you get those numbers, 6 times per minute???
in pvp hardly procs, you can see the 50 to 60ish % of self heals comes from leech, is a LESSER demon soul, you don’t get 30%
verify your post please.
Click Demonic Appetite checkbox under the description on the page. Notice how the 20% total HP doesn’t change. It adds the 30 Fury, though.
EDIT: after doing some research, I’ve heard it said (confirmation needed) that Lesser Soul Fragments heal for 10% of your total HP - and that Shattered Restoration boosts that to 20%. So it’s 10%/20% total HP worth of healing, rather than 20%/30% (except when combined with Fodder to the Flame, in which case it is 30% since it’s not a Lesser Soul Fragment, because the target died. It’s a “regular” plain old Soul Fragment during Fodder to the Flame. And it adds 20% damage for 15 seconds, too.)
Still, 20% of your total HP x 6 PPM means you’re healing for 120% of your total HP back every 60 seconds, PLUS 55% during Fodder to the Flame, PLUS Leech from Meta/The Hunt.
Seems too good to pass up in wPvP/BGs/1v1 or duels.
Shatter restoration is bug and doesn’t work. It’s even in blue posts.
I haven’t seen 6 procts per min at all in pvp. Doesn’t surprise me if the proc is change in pvp. In pve you have a healer so not really needed.
Still haven’t seen 6 per min. (My ground would be full of souls, from chaos strike and the talent of 10% of getting extra chaos strike) (that one also seems bug and you only get a second trike if the main hand, I might be confusing the talent)
Sadly I stop trusting this wow pages a lot of bad information (still better than nothing) every one will post the same stuff in ICU veins and wow head is like the 2pages are done by the same guys.
In a nother place I read that lesser soul heal a % of damage received in the last 5 sec… (Kinda like dk)
Can anyone corroborate?
Thanks for bringing the question:) interesting post
If Shattered Restoration is bugged, perhaps that is why no nabs Demonic Appetite at the moment.
I feel as though a class in a 1v1, 1vN, or duel situation benefits greatly from having a huge amount of self-healing.
There are three factors to consider in a 1v1 situation IMO:
A) Offense, e.g. how much damage can I do and how fast can I do it
B) Defense, e.g. what do I have to mitigate incoming damage or deal with damage that is unavoidale or already dealt with
C) Utility, e.g. what crowd control, random element, or “It Factor” that the class brings to the table. An ability like Vanish providing a 5-6 second total HP shield to the user falls under a catagory like this.
In order to excel, one must have all three. Otherwise, having two is around Tier A and having one is like Tier B or C.
What bothers me isn’t that DHs don’t take Demonic Appetite in arena with a healer; I get that, What bothers me is that I’ve seen a ton of top shelf DHs have 4-6 builds and NONE of them get Demonic Appetite, even for wPvP or duels. And I believe that’s a mistake of epic proportions.
yes =)
having demonic appetite and shatter restoration would go hand in hand =) and would be great to compensate the low % leech.
is an interesting mechanics, since you don’t have a button to press to get hp back, you could just leave the soul on the ground and just go pick it up when you need it.
some people will disagree since is a moving mechanic, other will say you can just walk close and will consume it without wanting to. vs other class they don’t need to move to get hp or they can just click one button and get 20 to 30% hp every 30 sec (warriors…)
i am not really convinced with that proc rate, i do believe the proc rate is different in pvp.
i do like to have demonic appetite with shatter destiny with one soul, do eye beam, cap rage, get meta, start doing, death sweeps, and annihilations, once i have 50% rage i can just move a little bit, pick that soul and get extra rage so i can keep using range and prolong the metamorphosis duration a little bit longer (you extend it by using skill that use rage, immolation aura and sigils don’t work since they are fury generators, and normal glaivs if you didnt use the talent that make them spend 25)
i whish blizz fix this bugs before going to add new features and redisign other classes, just first fix whats broken, they end up with so so much broken stuff… we already have to take bad talents to get our builds and on top have to go around of buggy talents =(
i found icy-veins
/wow/vengeance-demon-hunter-pve-tank-spell-summary
In addition to these Soul Fragments, there are also Lesser Soul Fragments . These have a chance to be created when you damage targets with. They work in exactly the same way, but they heal for 8% of all damage taken in the last 5 sec, with a minimum heal of 1% of your maximum health.
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lesser soul can heal you damage taken in the last 5 sec, Since it say minimum 1%… it gives the idea that is NRG and can be min1% to max8 ?