Why does KSH (Keystone Hero) require the same keys as obtaining portals now?

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Makes zero sense. In the past, KSM was obtained from doing 12-14 keys (2-4 squished), KSH was obtained from doing 16-18 keys (6-8 squished), and portals of course, were doing 20s (10 squished).

Now, KSM obviously requires higher keys now as well, but I feel that KSH is the bigger issue because it has the same requirements as portals now.

Personally, I never went out of my way to get portals, if I got them, I got them. But KSH is and has been my goal each season since introducing the armor effects. I believe it’s wrong to put the same requirement for it as portals, as someone who doesn’t care too much about them. Simply because it’s never been this way.

I know Blizzard won’t make any comment on it, but I just wanted to get it out there anyway.

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Portals used to Keystone Conqueror, but I guess they jumbled up the achievement.

KSM is only 2000 rating now, and much easier to hit for your free tier token. That’s probably why it’s changed.

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KSM has been 2000 rating since Shadowlands. It’s definitely not easier to get right now given how tuning is, it may change overtime, but not currently.

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KSM Takes five 7’s and 2 6’s timed. Portals require 10s.

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it’s actually better for you now! you just have to reach your goal of KSH, and you’ll get portals while you’re at it :slight_smile:

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It really is. If all you’re trying for is 2k rating, that’s a low bar. Getting portals is a lot harder, except maybe timing Ara-kara or Mists.

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I got 2001 io this weekend on my 608 bear with no tier set.

After hitting2k and getting the tier piece i am now 610 with a 2 set.

Was it tough? Sure some groups disbanded after a wipe or two, understandable since we were going for points.
But for the most part the dubgeons felt fine at sub 610 ilvl with no tier.

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I am talking about KSH in the topic, not KSM.

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Not related to thread, it is about KSH, but KSM is harder now because you can’t get separate Tyr/Fort rating anymore. It is only “easier” in the sense of “easier to get on week 1”

If we got separate rating we would only need to time 4s/5s instead of 7s, and pugging as a healer right now has me pretty close to just giving up at 1800.

Normally go for the armor effects and sometimes portals, so I agree with the OP that it makes no sense for both to be at +10 now and I do not think the requirement for portals should be raised higher.

KSM should be shifted down a key level or two, KSH down a level or two, and Portals left at +10s.

If we still get separate rating for Fort/Tyr then ignore this post, if not KSM/KSH is harder for anyone that was not already trying to week1 gamer it.

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I agree this change is bad. I also have the 2500 main goal and portals were something I could take it or leave it based on tuning. Now it’s full sweaty just for KSH >:

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not really. you’ll get there in time. it’s only sweaty if you think you should have it already.

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I’ll be honest. The only reason for doing it is the free tier piece. Without that? I really done care. It’s unlikely I’ll get it from dungeons before heroic queen kill.

But I dislike what’s been done with mythic plus in general. Feels sorta like cata and that got reverted back the next xpack and it took what? Six xpacks before ion had the brilliant idea to repeat a past mistake. Or what a majority of players consider a mistake.

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you only need KSM for that :slight_smile: