Why Does Alliance Turtle SPGY Every AV?

[Ohshiftson-benediction]

@Griste-sulfuras

Seriously though, what benefit do you gain by turtling SPGY in a clear loss almost every single game when it’s over an hour deep and kills aren’t even giving honor anymore?

I think you’re confusing “turtling” with “being farmed in the GY.”

[Burner-fairbanks]

Horde doesnt turtle at IBGY until numbers, better racials and more healers win there???

also, 8 weeks of horde having almost 100% win rate.

[Eladol-bigglesworth]

Why do you send kill squads for the 2or3 allies doing lts when your minutes away from killing vann?

[Rolliedagger-black-dragonflight]

If I was horde I would do it as well. An hour plus Q would make me want to destroy ally long after honor gains maxed just for spite.

I pvp for the sake of pvp so even when we aren’t getting any more honor or rep I’ll play just to play. To me rep and honor happens when it happens.

[Griste-sulfuras]

I have definitely noticed quite a few new players joining the alliance side late game, which would definitely explain why sometime it continues to drag on past the point of it being worth the time. I can understand good objective reasons why you’d want to spend some time farming HKs and rep while you can; I’m only referring to games where we’ve been stagnant with nothing happening at SPGY for 45 minutes, which is seeming to happen more than half the games lately.

I’m really not a big alliance hater, I’ve played it plenty of times over the years and have had main characters on alliance in the past, and would make an alliance alt if I was allowed to do so on the same server (which is probably a big part of the huge faction imbalance). Undead rogue has just been my most played character since 2006 so I wanted to play that race/class combo knowing how long it takes to hit 60 and gear up. I’d personally get burned out after realizing that we aren’t gaining any ground and either leave the bg, which I do see a lot of people doing, or try to find a way to sneak by and see if I could kill a straggler or so.

Just trying to understand if there’s something I’m missing that would make this constantly recurring scenario make objective, logical sense, in which case Thrair has made some good points.

[Eladol-bigglesworth]

There’s usually several ally begging for people to give up and let it end.
I tell them this is your penance for not caring enough or understanding how the bg works from the start.

[Sephîroth-old-blanchy]

@Griste-sulfuras

I’m excited to see the reaction to this question. Seriously though, what benefit do you gain by turtling SPGY in a clear loss almost every single game when it’s over an hour deep and kills aren’t even giving honor anymore? Seems like a massive hit to your honor per hour in an attempt to grief the evil “zug zugs”, when due to the queues, you’re hurting yourself more than you’re hurting us.

Thinly veiled “We’re so superior you might as well give up” thread.

What a dumb post.

[Futrid-sulfuras]

@Griste-sulfuras

Shouldn’t all the turn ins basically be exhausted by the 45+ minute mark, aside from armor scraps?

That’s why they said they leave when druids are launched. We do our best to kill their wing commanders, so that’s not even an option.

[Emilyanne-korgath (Emilyanne)]

OP, you’ve gotten all the right answers already… the zug heads won’t let us get south, and even if we manage to sneak past the burned IWB, there are zugs guarding SHGY to absolutely make sure no one passes. So, we either turtle until we res at the cave, or we get reported AFK and banned.

[Opt-heartseeker]

Most people don’t care about honor/hr or even really understand how to maximize it, they just wanna pvp, get kills, farm scraps for rep, and otherwise play the game.

[Cheetah-azshara]

Every time a horde backfills into a SPGY turtle an ally gets exalted

[Zycci-whisperwind]

@Griste-sulfuras

Seriously though, what benefit do you gain by turtling SPGY in a clear loss almost every single game when it’s over an hour deep and kills aren’t even giving honor anymore? Seems like a massive hit to your honor per hour in an attempt to grief the evil “zug zugs”,

You guys will send out death squads and put a dozen people at the choke to keep us from getting a LT or something, but then you want to cry because we’re all at SPGY when you want to take it? And, we’re “griefing” you by defending our GY?

Seriously?

I mean, I know you are used to EZ mode and having everything handed to you, but do you literally expect us to /lie down and just let you have it?

Nope.

[Magnetite-atiesh]

Someone on Horde usually decides to cap Stonehearth Graveyard before the Alliance gets there. This usually causes a turtle, because if the Alliance don’t have a graveyard yet, they respawn at Stormpike Graveyard.

[Eladol-bigglesworth]

???

The only objective horde needs to take to ensure they win the game is SH.
Also SH starts as ally gy.
Also you can’t get to SH before we do.

[Wunce-stalagg]

I thought SPGY wasn’t a valid choke point for alliance and is favored towards horde? Wierd how every game we get stuck there for a while.

[Eladol-bigglesworth]

We aren’t choking horde at SP, Horde are choking us.
Any flag that has 40 people give or take defending it can be held indefinitely.

[Magnetite-atiesh]

I edited my post.

[Cheetah-azshara]

@Wunce-stalagg

Wierd how every game we get stuck there for a while.

Only bad teams get stuck there
halfway decent teams will send groups to simultaneously assault all of the 4 ways in and cap in under a minute

[Wunce-stalagg]

@Cheetah-azshara

Only bad teams get stuck there
halfway decent teams will send groups to simultaneously assault all of the 4 ways in and cap in under a minute

Im not sure about that since horde can’t premade AV like alliance could. All we can do is push as a group and coordinate in raid chat… Or wait for ice dad to push for us.

[Cheetah-azshara]

It really doesn’t take much coordination, and happens all the time
Guess you’re never in those games?