I’ve been playing this game since it came out in 2004, and the changes this Ion and Josh guy have made to the game are just no longer making it fun to play.
When you play 15 or 20 battle grounds, rank in points and score and consistently lose all of them, it’s getting old.
30% advantage??? Really? How is that even a fair game? It’s just a constant grinding in questing, in PVP and one gets nowhere.
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Isn’t that only in War Mode? And it’s based on the population that have War Mode active. If it is constantly that high, then that mean there is constantly way more Horde in War Mode than Alliance.
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yes but they don’t do the realm/shards they do the total pop if i recall
which should be changed to the realm/shards
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Is this for like world PvP, questing PvP, BGs, RBGs or what? I haven’t heard of this before. Then again I did just return.
I noticed this way back when they made changed to Every Man For Himself. This caused many of the hard-core PvPers to switch to Alliance. I think it eventually evened itself out as far as racials go, but the damage was already done - alliance now had the good pvpers.
I actually made a giant spreadsheet back then, where I detailed how I had top killing blows and played objectives, showing flag caps, orb possessions, etc, and the win rate. I don’t remember exactly what the discrepancy was, but alliance definitely won at least 65% of the time. I recorded over 100 battlegrounds.
After that, I quit PvP. Seemed like the developers didn’t know what they were doing.
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Because the Alliance are stuck in a perpetual cycle of considering themselves the victim and the current wow devs are alliance biased.
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if its 30% then that means theres alot of horde with warmode on, and not many alliance with em on…
regardless im not really gonna pity the horde for this one.
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They don’t.
Currently warmode bonus for Alliance is 10-15% which means the number of Horde and Alliance in WM are roughly equal.
The 50% enlistment bonus applies to BGs when not enough people are queueing. Alliance gets the bonus in normal BGs but not Epic BGs. If you would like the enlistment bonus for normal BGs you are free to play Alliance.
Vulpera moment.
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Orcs had stun proofing changed in DF. so now EMFH is looked at again.
it has a cd. Many neglect to to tell us waht they do in the time its on CD. I CC’d them and they broke it. Okay…that was 30 seconds ago. where is the 2nd cc? from yourself if a rogue or backup. Personally on rogue I leave good cc for last. I burn the “trash” ones first.
If player x sees that and waits to pop racial on the good one I go cool…a smart player. More than enough trinket/racial out of the cc’s that break on attack (so I won’t attack, ofc) to make up for it.
Coming from classic…only bg alliance gets as a gimme is AV. Something about placements on the map. Maybe. I can hammer our a 50/50 here over the course of many runs in a set time frame. so horde can win.
Other bg’s…yeah, victories come less.
Only bringing up classic since EMFH is not the be all end al of racials. Elune knows classic has its fair share of humans running around. and still lose. You can play a drinking game of drink when you don’t see a human paladin. and stay sober…
I have one too. I was hoping we’d get race change sooner. I’d like her to be a blood elf.
Then horde should get an equal bonus.
I’m better than you. Forum alt moment.
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Pardon my ignorance but what is EMFH precisely? I think I get what you mean but I’d rather make sure.
Alliance getting 30% more honor than you doesn’t make you lose BGs.
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Every man for himself human racial ability.
They renamed it to be all inclusive and I forget its new name lol. I will eternally use every man for himself lol.
Its the human CC breaking racial.
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They do. Horde get a 10% bonus. Because that’s the bonus for turning on warmode.
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DF especially. gear got normalized.
11K honor even lacking bonus horde can hammer out quick. and there is the baseline 411 gear.
Any gear disparity aftet that is one side is getting less rated people potentially. that is another matter entirely. and conquest is more normalized too. its not sl where 5/5 stomped a 1/7 honor player.
retail gives options here. they should be happy.
My classic server doesn’t have a vast pool of arena players to get that gear. And more than half the time I play even if I could raid…voa is locked out since we lost wintergrasp. again.
and that is me not adding in this combat rogue fights with all sword users on drops lol.
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So a statistically very small number and yet still pretty close to half split. Sounds about right.
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No…it was actually horde who had the good players, and horde who everyone went to for PvP. Why? Because they had better skilled players and more streamers, which attracted more people.
A long long time ago, in a galaxy far away when racials really mattered the only Alliance racials that ever mattered in PvP was the Human and Night Elf racial, the others were fine but they weren’t anywhere close to as good as Horde racials.
Blood Elves had an AoE silence/interrupt that returned resources to them. Orcs had a mega damage bonus. Trolls had a mega casting bonus. Tauren had an AoE stomp. Those were all better than all Alliance racials except for NE and Humans, so more people swapped over that wanted to PvP seriously.
It’s stayed like that ever since because people have their communities and friends so they never swapped back over.
Wrong, too, but to each their own. Horde were known for more serious PvPers and Alliance were where the kiddos played.
The 30% buff the OP asks about is because when one faction heavily outnumbers the other, it DE incentivizes play. Alliance are famously or were famously known to be THE PvE faction, mostly everyone over on that side is more interested in PvE content than PvP. Horde were the opposite where they were known more for the PvP. You swapped pending whatever content you wanted to do if you wanted to do it seriously.
You also see that Horde have much higher BG wait times than Alliance and this is because, again, more Horde do PvP than Alliance so the wait times for Alliance are much shorter. To combat this the devs gave Horde the option to dress up as Alliance and play on the Alliance side to que faster and help there be more Alliance playing.
Much like how tanks and healers have those que bag things for random dungeons n stuff, this functions the same way, it’s just an incentive to put more people into War Mode.
They don’t because it means there are still 10-15% more, at the least, people on Horde in War Mode than Alliance.
If the War Mode bonus wasn’t there for Alliance you’d barely ever see Alliance in War Mode at all. Most do it for the rep gains or the XP bonus for leveling toons, that’s it.
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That is precisely what I thought you meant but wanted to make sure.
Would this be a good sign that blizz favors alliance over Horde? I mean they’re always making horde start and lose wars now they’re giving alliance an advantage in PvP over the Horde.
still player based here.
good racial, bad player use…losses happen. since this about BG I will do bg. Racials I will grant have more weight in 2,3,5 person arenas. 2 people, 1 is bad. Its not looking good there. Bg’s there are at least 15 people to counter/resolve racial imbalance issues.
Like I said above. I can see a human racial/trinket out of my gouge. okay…thank you! cheapshot time. that one I can smack the crap out of the player on. I got exactly what I wanted.
BG’s are also hard to nail down its the racials favoring a side.
druids and rogues from both sides know this well. As we flip the objective and not one soul is on it defending. Alliance or horde can have the most op racials in the world.
it doesn’t matter in AB where the team is not keeping people on the points. No one is watching farm /stable lest they be kicked for /afk. flip! that was easy.
Now I see the people coming from LM. its now empty or they left 1 dude. CC/kill them. Flip that one. I don’t have to keep these points mind you. I just need to not have the other side 3+ caps full time for points.
5 caps ins AB are fast and fun wins. this is true. but having the other side never even have 3 caps while slower still leads to a win off points over time. they get less, we get more…we win.
AB I find gets lost more, either side, when the team gets paranoid about the /afk kick holding crap. Sure buddy, you are “defending”.
as the enemy rogue I’d say they were. 2 people on flag I get conservative in my flips. 3 people…I am dying with no flag gain. so I wave off most times.
or its WSG. most of the team mid mashing. Umm, dudes they got one guy who ran the flag twice no contest.
Less mid, more kill EFC. the efc not being stupid is not…coming up mid. Racials don’t fix that. not being bad does.
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