I’m curious why you frost mains enjoy frost. I’ve enjoyed blood dk for quite awhile, but frost has felt pretty slow to me. While I realize that blood is slow as well, it makes up for it in my mind with self heals and tankiness.
Pretty sure I’m going to start off maining monk this go, but blood is a close second. Just looking for opinions. Thanks!
Straightforward also no pet
Ghost dragons
From what I’ve heard collectively folks play Frost because its super easy to play and easily rewarding via Big Crit Dmg.
Personally I play Unholy, I like what I like. Not knocking folks who like Frost. Sometimes simplicity is all folks want.
Great Direct damage. Great AoE. No need to manage dots. No need to manage pet. Less keybinds.
If you solo you will kill a lot faster as frost. And no issue at survive at all
Aesthetic, I really enjoy the idea of a midranged frosty boi
It is a nice change of pace compared to UH.
And besides, who doesn’t like being a Frost Juggernaut? Ice magic has always appealed to me, but I don’t like the way caster’s play so this is the next best thing. Was a big frost mage fan, but really do not like the direction they were changed into.
And having the option to DW or 2h is really fun.
Grew up playing the frozen throne. Lich King was my favourite. Always loved bursty hard hitting 2h architypes, played 2h arms warrior in vanilla when I started. Rerolled DK in wotlk, UH is very death by a thousand cuts and I don’t love pets so went frost and a bit of blood. Fell in love paying 2h frost, despite how someone here badgers on how it was sub optional performance. It felt great to play throwing out chunky frost strikes. Really made me feel like arthas from the cinematics. Peak class fantasy.
2h Frost was sub optimal. It was sub optimal all the way to highmaul where it was on par (though the spec was garbage) and then fell off again the next tier. Even when 2h was reintroduced and people like you said it was always better, it was actually a steaming pile of hot garbage. People even complained that you needed a 2h 20ilvls higher to be on par with DW during SL.
The reason why these forums like Frost is revisionist history and fan fiction and you don’t like Frost for what it is and that’s why people wanted it changed and still do.
I like Frost because it was a spec that turned 2 1h weapons into that of a 2h with all the benefits of being DW. It’s still like this I f MotFW didn’t exist. It had procs to react to at the time I started while Blood and Unholy didn’t, and I also like the cold. The necromancer influence is icing on the cake.
With some of the additions Frost has gotten better. The only real thing I don’t like is the DK masteries which are just strength under a different name and force the specs to be distant from each other.
I’ve always been a fan of the magical warrior archetype. A master of combat who mixes sword and sorcery together. During burning crusade, enhancement shaman didn’t really jive with me nor did paladin so I decided to give the new Death Knight a try when it came out.
The Lich King was a prominent figure so when the chance came to roll a character like him, I jumped on it. Unholy looked cool, but I’m not a big fan of pet classes. While Blood had a playstyle that was very fun and unique, frost just felt like the right fantasy.
I primarily off tanked with it in wrath, then embraced the DPS when the presence switch happen and have enjoyed it ever since. It really does give a feel of an unstoppable glacier; enduring, relentless, and ready to bury you under a mountain of ice conjured through the edge of a blade.
Plus, one of my attacks summon a dragon to do a bombing run on the battlefield! You don’t get much cooler than that.
I played dk towards the end of wotlk and I think I mainly tanked at the time. By the time I picked up the class, blood was the tank spec if I’m remembering correctly. I ran ICC casually, and pugged all my content.
I shelved the toon for years and really just ran LFR on her until SL. I thought running dk would be neat for lore reasons (even though let’s be honest, we got crap for dk specific lore after the maw intro and arthas - our biggest lore hook- got disenchanted at the end. Big L there…).
I played unholy in nathria and liked it okay. Pushed up to 2 bosses in mythic. I really didn’t like how disjointed my cooldowns felt, and visually it was kind of a cluster all the time. Meters felt good though! It also felt very clunky before you got enough haste and the leggo cloak that was buried too far into progression at the start imho for most players. I played blood and tanked low-mid keys that season. Kite meta felt okay on blood with proper use of chains and grip of the dead.
I picked up frost in korthia because the burst profile was just so much better than unholy. No wounds, no games, I just ran up to stuff with a KM proc and deleted it. It made the quests quick, which is what I wanted. I ran keys as blood and dabbled a little bit in frost. I got to really like the aesthetic while questing. I felt like a frost death knight. Sounds, effects, procs. It felt visually cohesive to me. Mog felt thematic. The winters grasp mog enchant looks amazing. Lots to fall in love with.
I’m s3 I tried pushing harder keys as frost because of the tier set. I swapped from vent to NF for oblit cleave and fell in love with big chunky cleave and the glacial advance procs. My SL seasons 1-3 rank was decent, and most of my parses were in the 85-90 range as frost. I generally pushed keys as blood, but I didn’t bother chasing portals. I think my closest was a 19 DoS? The spec finally felt rewarding, although it did have a lot to juggle (multiple resources, positional requirements from GA and FWF, and weird burst priority windows that caused you to ignore RP).
I didn’t hate BoS in dungeons like HoA because with the venthyr ability and some good interrupts I had solid uptime on the CD. The pulls were pretty chunky at the start too which was fun. Lots of opportunity to use AMS in a few places too. It felt rewarding and like the content allowed for some skill expression. Compare to mists of tirna scithe where breath felt AWFUL and oblit felt great.
I drifted to Alts in SL s4. I ran a surv hunter at the end of s3 which just kinda made me salty. In s4 I picked up prot war and VDH again to chase some mog. Most of ZM was done on my war.
I gave this rogue a whirl in DF s1 and absolutely hated finding groups. I picked serve back up I’m DF s2 casually and I farmed portals on my monk in DF s3. I still enjoy dk but I don’t play it at the same level I did in SL. I prefer prot war when it isn’t in the dumpster, but still like playing frost dk occasionally. I wanted the axe in DF but the commitment felt so high that I just gave up on screwing with it. Which pretty much long term shelved frost for the xpac for me.
Here’s my profile on Warcraft logs.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/magtheridon/servechilled?zone=25
I have mained frost DK since CATA and I have never gone back.
Prior to Frost DK I was Ret Pally, and at least back then, the transition from Ret to Frost was an easy one, both are Fast paced Priority based instant cast melee dps rotations, with quick/short/no downtime between attacks.
I actually dislike 2H Oblit, and I Don’t prefer Breath spec so for a while I have not been as big of a fan of the playstyle/direction it has gone in… my all time favorite time to have played frost DK was when we were Dual Wielding and gaming runes (before all the runes were frost) and we were playing the “Masterfrost” playstyle where we stacked Mastery and used our rotation to always have frost runes recharging (instead of blood/unholy runes)
My favorite part of Frost DK other than the rotation style is the consistent/even/constant/steady damage (Which again is not how Breath spec plays), where dps is not focused on damage windows/burst windows and not reliant on cooldowns due to the low CD for our dps buffs such as pillar.
I like how defensively we can keep ourselves alive quite long.
I like the utility of things like deathgrip which can not only be used to pull things away from others/towards myself, but also can be used to interrupt non-interruptible casts by moving the target much like a knockback.
I don’t like specs/classes that require high micro-managing such as cooldown management/timing, pet control, tracking dots/debuffs on targets, etc.
I tend to like straightforward/simpler rotations and playstyle, and prefer not to play complex/complicated ones. So the whole “It’s easier” is accurate that a lot of people say… to a point, but the thing about frost DK is that the level of entry to be “okay” or “decent” at it is very low, so the bar to difficulty is very low, but the GOOD/expert/experienced frost DK’s are significantly different in performance than the average. The bar for performance to a level that you could be considered very good at the spec is actually quite high in my opinion.
I just like my name Fridget :). I am leveling still and it seems slow now but it’s nice to know that it’ll be a good spec at higher levels. I have a lot of different characters so having each one be as simple as possible works for me. If I was only playing one class it might get too boring. It makes good sound effects too.
dislike pet management
big hits with a big stick
always liked the frost aspect of dk lore as a big slow juggernaut
Be careful, these words tend to summon a forum creature that is hard to get rid of.
Frost is looking really good in TWW. It’s slapping in pre patch in both pve and pvp with DW and 2h. The ONLY thing I’ve still got issue with is DnD cleave. That is better but it still annoyingly exists and is a thing. Also I just won’t use soul reaper, don’t care if that’s suboptimal. Blizzard can fix their ‘suboptimal’ spell design before that goes on my bar.
I have that person on ignore. Not to mention I already posted. Funny how you try to dehumanize others. Talk about a bigot.
If they get this right for PVP again, I am in 100%
frost get a HUGEEE NERF, about 200k less overall in keys, they are retarded, and hate DK´s
Simple rotation and BIG yellow #s when playing 2h Obliterate.
I liked how much sustain it had in the olden days.
Nowadays… I’m turning Unholy so much more.