I would go as far as more pathfinder to get rid of the time gate. I would do exalted and more quests
I would save all the turtles
What is the point in complaining about it, the devs are fixed on it being a part of the game and no amount of complaining/cancelling subs has changed it for 5 years now, so why complain about something that isnt going to be changed. Just roll with the punches.
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In just about every one of these pathfinder or flying in general the majority of the people posting in these say “eh PF is fine I just hate the time gate”. Something along those lines. The rep grind gets mentioned a lot also which doesn’t “unlock by just playing the game” as many try to complain. You have to go out of your way to get from honored to revered.
They start out with someone posting that but if you look at the majority of the people posting they say their only real problem with PF is the time gate.
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That’s because Flying is completely different from pet battles or pet dungeons. This is something that dramatically affects gameplay, as well as how you get to the content you actually want to do.
Look at the zones. Most of the zones are designed where you are literally zig-zagging back and forth up and down ridges, taking five minutes to go between A and B, when you could literally fly there in thirty seconds. All of the BFA zones are designed to be a PITA without flying.
Furthermore, this is the same as giving something to only take it away again. Flying was in the game for years, before they tried to take it away. The WoD pathfinder was a craptacular, spiteful thing, and it is still that way.
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Personally I’d have no problem with doing exalted on all the necessary reps if the timegating wasn’t a thing.
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I like this suggestion. IF you like no flying turn on warmode.
Well stated post.
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For me, I won’t do Pathfinder. So if they only time gate the release of flying I would at least buy and play while flying is available. Now I don’t buy and just play a month through the story quests. friend paid sub for me for Classic which is better without flying then retail without flying.
85% of pathfinder is done passively while experiencing the zones. And most of the rep required can come from WQs before they stop being valuable for the rewards.
I really don’t see the problem. The only complaints come from whiners who are like “WAAAA I want it nooooow right awwaaaaaay” and buy a token for the gold because they can’t be bothered to earn that in game either.
All that needs to happen to make pathfinder a really good system, is to either shorten the wait between parts 1 and 2 to a few months, or open up expansion zone flight from part 1, and additional zones with part 2 /3 /whatever, and to maybe drop the rep from Exalted to Revered.
People would be flying 1-2 months after release if they played through the content at a good click that way, I think it would be perfect.
Who you callin’ stupid, stupid! 
The fact that you mentioned them does not mean they aren’t still valid points. It’s like saying “Why don’t you like munching on lemons, and don’t say its because they’re sour”.
Which I actually find annoying, for the most part. It’s like someone saying “I’m speshul, looka me!”. Have it out in the world fine, but hovering around in Stormwind in front of the bank so all the lowbies can look upon you in awe is rather twee. (Probably my only exception to that is seeing someone on the Black Qiraji Tank. I tend to go over and bow in homage to that because they are also likely to be wearing the Scarab Lord title. That’s a true sign of an old, proud gamer because you know they won that playing back when the game was tough…)
As for your comments:
PVP - attacking the main city - well…you don’t actually HAVE to fly there. You can ride in on your ground mount. No one is forcing you to fly in. If you want to experience the fun of ground battles along the way, then experience it. Isn’t world pvp all about organised combat? Then organise it.
I’d like a buck for every time I’ve seen these 2 comments. It’s the old rationale. ‘MMOs have always had grind’. Yes, they have and I have no objection to being asked to play to achieve a goal. When it’s actually a goal and not just tedium. Grinds are the old developer’s fallback when they can’t get creative or deliberately want to spin something out, timewise. Rather than using imaginative planning to come up with alternates, they just say “we’ll do this and add an X amount of grind, that works!”.
A Living world - which continues to ‘live’ whether I’m flying or riding a ground mount. You keep talking about pvp - you know, this game isn’t just pvp. It’s achieving a flying mount, putting in a reasonable effort to learn to fly it, and then flying it. In PvE.
There are games out there that don’t have flight at all. ESO for example. And the world is created specifically NOT to have flight. It is designed that way. It has huge amounts of wayshrines that get you anywhere across the world you have access to, and you can use them free or pay to go them from wherever you are. It has player housing situated across the world which you can port to immediately. It allows you to teleport to anyone in any of your guilds (and you can be in up to 5) wherever they are. In that game, being groundbound is not a disadvantage because it is designed so you are immersed in the world by being on a ground mount but it allows for fast travel when you need it, as soon as you need it.
WoW was designed, from BC onwards, to have flight. So putting up barriers to flying is cardboard-thin game planning. And the ultimate comment - also said often but still true is - if you don’t want to fly, if you want to play on the ground, - then - don’t - fly.
Simple, indeed.
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Why do people post to forums when their toons isn’t max level? They should have a requirement on that.
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What difference does the level of the character make? It’s not the character talking, its the person behind it?
(This is Kneeshooter’s person by the way. Still me, opinionated aussie old lady gamer…)
When the poster talks as if their posting toon has done things, even as a lvl 1, that’s a problem.
You fail to see the irony in your statement because Pathfinder will NOT allow anyone to fly at the start of the expansion
Blizzard is determined to enforce their plan to keep players grounded until such time the actual use for flight is no longer relevant thus basically negating the reason to earn it for that content
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I’d much rather farm rep and quests than pay gold. Also with Pathfinder it’s account wide so your alts could fly right away at the expansions entry level. When you go with paying gold ever single alt has to pay each expansion.
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Or why not have an alternative that allows for both. For example:
Do a limited set of quests on your main (Exploration is reasonable) plus a decent flight license fee that activates flight in areas as they become available on that one character alone. That would allow you to fly on your main, and at the same time you could have a Pathfinder-type requirement that your alts could work on for free that would then open flight across your account.
Most of us earn enough gold ingame to purchase a single flight license. And the alts could be contributing to it as they play through as you have time towards your full license.
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The grind now is not really a grind compared to back in the day. For initial flight, I had about 1.5K when I hit max level, and had to earn the other 3.5K. Can’t recall how long it took, but I never got tilted about it. BFA flight was pretty simple. Did all the quests, and then after a few emissaries I was exalted
An achievement is an achievement, it is not a quest, and was designed so that player would complete it, as they actually completed other content. It is completely passive content.
Each achievement, which makes up the Meta Pathfinder achievement, is completely achievable, by just playing through the content.
Last week I got 2 Nazjatar achievement. One was for completing all the rune puzzles. The other was for killing all the Elites types that appear around Nazjatar.
I did not go out of my way, the achievement was a by-product of completing content. If anything, I am upset because, I am having to grind the Prismatic Manapearls if I want to maximize the iLvl of the Benthic armor.
You get so few Prismatic Manapearl each day. If it was not for my need for Prismatic Manapearl, and I am actually enjoying seeing my daily companion grow stronger. I think all three are level 18 now. I would leave Nazjatar. But that is going to happen anyway.
When the 8.3 content goes live, I am going to have to divert time to it. Unless they give me another source of Prismatic Manapearls, in the 8.3 content, as a reward choice, instead of a fixed reward, like we have for World Quests, and Emissary rewards.
A choice between, Gold, a piece of Armor, War Resources, Prismatic Manapearls, or one of the other resources or currencies would be nice.
It would be as if the NPCs from the different regions have been talking with each other, and they realize how busy we are, how important it is for us to concentrate on this fight with N’Zoth, so they have been talking to us, and are trading with each other, goods and services, and trying to give us several choices between different resources, and items et cetera.
To be able to choose a reward for completing Patch 8.3 content, would be an excelent game mechanic.
The only reason why people return to the older BFA areas is to complete an achievement, or farm resources to obtain a mount, unlock an Azerite power, or do BFA content exclusive to those areas.
I dont really defend it so much as just understand and accept why its there.
The “compromise” that they always talk avout isnt between player that want flying and those that dont, its between blizzard and the players.
Blizzard doesnt want flying anymore thats been fairly apparent since WoD but its like pandoras box they cant get rid of it permanently or risk massive outrage.
So they added in PF.
I personally dont care if PF stays or goes my enjoyment isnt entirely hinged on a single gameplay element like some people but i will say it really helps having flying when blizz makes absolute hellhole zones like Nazjatar
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Pathfinder sucks and Blizzard will never see another dime from me for any expansion until it’s gone.
#Pathfindersucks
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