No that’s a misunderstanding of you. No one claimed what you said. We were talking about the historical atrocities which took place.
No one is talking about settlers, also called immigrants who can work with the locals and live with them.
It did for sure far less happen in history.
Stop with the rest. Really stop it.
well , If night elves evolved from trolls, then how come there are still trolls around?
It’s clearly nonsense that nelfs descended from trolls. It’s like saying Humans in real life descended from apes…
The RP forums are over there. -> https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/c/lore/worlds-end-tavern/48
I find it odd that you guys try to completely ignore the other side of the argument, both irl and in lore. The first mass killing in a school in north America was done by native American’s, in the case of the Amani, they were cannibal’s who attacked first and refused all diplomacy.
What the… At first there were only indigenous people…so yeah. Then Northman for a short while.
Columbus might have a word with you. You keep making those same statements.
Edit: Even if one group did something somewhere, that’s one group not all of them at the same time.
You know, arguing about fictional lore it’s kinda… not interesting after all of this any longer.
Aren’t you the “defend my lawn” type of guy?
Besides Amani cannibalism has a function.
What I’m saying is nearly every organized group of humans to ever exist on the planet has some kind of crimes under their belt. Using it as an argument has no meaning, oh the colonists stole some land, the natives had done that to each other for centuries, plus they scalped Tom. There are no good guys in this story.
I’m not racist, i’m not (insert fascist dictator), ok, i’m just saying the current mainstream view is presenting a slanted view on the subject.
I mean, it seems the Zandalari even kinda make fun of and shun the other troll races, so I guess that’s just a troll thing.
Sure bud you alone are right and everyone else is a “snowflake”. 
This Irl oriented conversation really isn’t related to the thread, lets just leave it at I agree crimes against native American’s were evil, the other stuff isn’t important, lets let bygones be bygones, and return to lore oriented discussions.
I think it’s worth noting that what the Highborne did was not “Colonization.”
They were literally Refugees of a shattered world and exiles from their own people.
They crossed an Ocean and braved untold hardships to find a place where they could settle. They were unfortunate to land somewhere that was already claimed. But they were faced with an impossible choice: Stay and fight for their right to survive or die trying.
They wanted nothing more then to find a little out of the way corner and be left alone. But in a world that had just lost 2/3s of it’s land and what remained was already claimed, they had few other choices, and none of them was “good.”
I agree with this to some degree. They killed the Trolls and did not try to rule over them.
This is a false narrative.
They encountered humans and this was the only reason why they even survived. They could have stayed there with the humans who helped them. Or you know, not starting a war against an empire.
That’s also not true. Look at the map. They took everything. Even so, wanting occupied land doesn’t give you the right to take it.
Submission, or an agreement to help the Amani for land (like Romans did it with some people) would have been an option.
Telitrois, you’ve really exposed your self here.
No it’s not. What was “mainstream” for decades if not centuries was the white man version of events. How they discovered this land ala Christopher Columbus and treated the natives with peace or rescued it from savages. That was the mainstream narrative. They left out the facts that first, Columbus didn’t discover anything and was a mass murder, and that there were millions on natives living all over this continent in basis different tribes. Hell we were still taught the lies about him in school in the 90’s through the 2000’s! The mainstream also burried the Trail of Tears, where the colonizers forced the natives off of their own land. And it’s not just the Native Americans that encountered this violence from the colonizers.
What your ancestors didn’t have a right to do was to come here lay claim to land that wasn’t there’s by saying they “discovered” it and proceeded to ethically cleanse the natives because said natives were non-Christian savages that stood in the way of their profit of the fur trade. Were there ways to come here and settle peacefully? Absolutely. But they were ignored and the crimes committed on my Native Ancestors
that started by the Europeans were only continued by the future Americans.
(And furthermore 
your ancestors didn’t have to right to drag mine over here from a completely different continent, but that’s another conversation for another time.)
Your responses have proved to nothing but offensive and ignorant. The current mainstream as you call it isn’t wrong, it’s taking an honest look at what actually happened instead of covering it up and sugar coating the truth. Please go read a book. Now back to the lore…
From the Troll perspective it is, from any perspective really. The settled on land that wasn’t theres. But the fact that they were desperate does make you look at the situation differently. That said, all of lower Lorderon was available. The left because if some dark power or something but the continued to head into Troll territory. It’s also fair to mention that they were burned with history, the Troll loathe the Elves for what they did to them. So peace between those two would have never happened.
Actually, that goes to my point.
The Human already occupied that land. They did not what to stay on land already taken. They wanted their own land. So they tried to find somewhere that no one else lived.
THAT is a False narrative.
They did NOT “take everything,” the left the Bulk of the Amani empire alone.
It just so happens that the Amani was also fighting against the Humans to the West and was losing ground to them as well.
But creating a “you must atone forever” narrative out of this will ultimately only awaken a blocking attitude in the long run, you have to deal with it as an adult. One has to remember it, one must not repeat it, one should remind, but one should not hate the descendants of these Europeans, some of whom have lived there for several generations.
Well, they seam pretty amicable these days.
No it doesn’t. Why wouldn’t the Elves be willing to settle next to humans, but go on the offensive against an empire? That’s what they did. Nothing else. There was no land where no one lived. You can even see Amani way stones in game.
It’s really not. At first sure, but they took their holy cites and you know how important those places are to the loa. It was a cultural important place. And they also murdered their way upon north. There is no defense for it.
Call it the right of the conqueror, it was nothing else.
No serious person is doing this. It’s important to remember and learn from history. Be aware and make it better.
History is a lesson of human history. One remembers therefore the actions of the Europeans on their grab for power because never in the history of mankind have there been nations that were so powerful and so many lives that did not correspond to their ideas simply as second class, third class or even as outcasts, and this partly in their own country.
Europe through the constant wars was for a single moment the rest of the world about 150-200 years ahead, and if Europe had not fought so many domestic wars, it would probably still be at the top and the leading world power.
The lesson we should and must learn from this is simply not to repeat it. Feeling hatred for actions that go back centuries will only end in frustration.
indeed 
Ultimately, the only right that has been preserved to this day, not only…but on the bottom line…most nations today are rely their foundation to that “Right”
Because they Didn’t. I mean, they were literally homeless refugees, without the means of waging a full scale war against an Empire 1000X their numbers.
The only thing they could do was defend off the relentless Amani assaults while they tried to find shelter. They thought they found it when they came to a land bereft of Troll presence and the Attacks all but ceased.
They may of foolishly settled on Troll sacred ground but they honestly had no choice. It was literally at the tip of the continent, with no where else to go.
Defense against being attacked is “murder” now?
i wrote 9 hour´s ago…the same thing It was a conquest, but not colonization.