The Horde has plenty of good reasons to despise the Alliance. They don’t need to go full racist/fascist to hate them. Likewise the Alliance also has plenty of good reasons to hate the Horde. They also don’t need to go full racist/fascist to hate them.
For starters, the Horde can hate the Alliance for pretty much everything they’ve done in Kalimdor. This meme about why the Tauren are a part of the Horde sums up some grievances:
And every single Horde race has grievances that can also be used to justify acts of aggression, or why they’d get sucked into something like the Burning of Teldrassil for example. Many of the Horde were happy to attack the Night Elves, to burn the tree. They willingly helped. Why? They wouldn’t have done so if they didn’t feel like the Alliance had it coming.
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Thank you for providing this meme; saving it for the future.
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Which are swept under the carpet and routinely obfiscated by blizzard narratives.
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The Horde is the best. We need more races.
It’s just strange to me how unwilling alliance mains of this forum to critique and grapple with the people writing this slop and instead insist on in-universe arguments almost invariably
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Probably because I don’t consider it slop.
You’re free to be critical as much as you like, but not everyone is going to agree with you for a host of different reasons.
You’ve made it perfectly clear that you despise the writing team that is currently working on both WoW and various novels, I don’t, so I don’t share your opinion. It’s really that simple.
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You should still engage with the material intent and direction of the Blizzard writers regardless of your opinion of the narrative
Your refusal to acknowledge how the writers trip over themselves both in-game and IRL via interviews and novels to either justify or handwave any Alliance sin is transparent.
You need to actually grapple with what Danuser, Golden, Copeland, and etc have said, with how the narrative has been shaped by Afrasiabi and allowed to be shaped by others including the aforementioned people and Metzen, what Metzen had claimed, etc
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Story simply does not matter when the narrative will not entertain complexity beyond horde=bad.
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I’ve acknowledged that plenty, just not in this topic because it’s not come up.
It’s actually one of my core frustrations, that the writers will make a decision, then an expansion or two later (sometimes not even that) they’ll make a different decision that nullifies the first one.
So, please, don’t make assumptions about how I feel or what I’m critical about just because I don’t think the writing is as bad as you think it is.
If you want an example of something within the story that frustrates me, it was Blizzard’s implementation of Antorus and how they changed the lore surrounding demons and how they’re regenerated.
They created a magic macguffin facility that made every single big fight against demons that we’d previous fought completely redundant, since Antorus was able to snatch souls and prevent demons that would have otherwise died from actually getting killed. It was extremely annoying, especially since after we closed down Antorus everyone acted like the Burning Legion was defeated when it just… isn’t.
Then it’s disingenuous to name that the Horde has “ample reason to hate the Alliance” when narratively, due to the active intervention of the writers and in particular one writer in every single solitary damn novel they give her, all Alliance sin has been without exception handwaved, excused, undermined, diluted, or extensively justified
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None of what you just typed invalidates what I said though.
What the writers do with the Alliance doesn’t negate the fact that the Horde have ample reason to act against the Alliance. Hell, we saw Saurfang get convinced to lead the campaign into Night Elf lands during BFA through one of those very grievances, which is that Genn Greymane was able to launch an unprovoked assault on the Horde and not only suffer no punishments, but become Anduin’s chief advisor.
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Ah yes, the short story that had Sylvanas’s internal monologue that was later retcon’d to make her evil and retcon’d again to make her even more evil lmao
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I always saw that bit of writing regarding Genn as an excuse to make the horde aggressors again, because the story didn’t seem to do anything else to acknowledge the fact that the alliance attacked an enemy faction leader before or after the War of Thorns happened.
I think it ultimately doesn’t matter that Genn attacked, because the game tells the war as one the horde started anyway and almost immediately piles on the guilt about you being bad for going along with this, so why care?
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Alliance bias is the problem. Horde will always be painted as being in the wrong because the writing team plays favorites. The humans and their friends are the goody protectors of Azeroth and the Horde are just dirty savages needing to be put in their place.
That entire short story referenced has been so thoroughly retcon’d in damn near every aspect, it’s evident that Saurfang’s claimed motivation in that text is simply not considered real
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Well technically the Alliance started the aggression first by attacking the Horde during their Azerite mining operations in Silithus.
Chronologically the Horde got to Silithus first and started their mining operations, then the Alliance attacked and wiped them out, which prompted the Horde retaliation that was the prelude to the War of Thorns.
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Wasn’t that itself retconned via short story into the goblins attacking first after alliance arrive, resulting in the alliance retaliating with what we see in the questing?
And even if it hadn’t been retconned in any way, it comes alongside the horrendous “what if the alliance attacks us 100 years from now? We need to do this for our future horde children” plus the addendum “and that’s why Malfurion needs to die”.
C’mon; I’m pretty sure the game has had me quest alongside Malfurion more than some of my actual faction leaders at this point. Why is that supposed to be a hook to do your content? Is that supposed to be a compelling story intro?
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I am fine with Horde aggression. I am not fine with our leaders dropping like flies.
Correct it was retcon’d into Horde attacking first in-game
I’m just gonna add that BFA was being developed during the rise of Trump, released during Trump’s peak, and we know the political inclinations of a net majority of the devs what with their narrative choices, anti union sentiments, permissibility of abuse inside the culture, and more 
But I digress
No, although it wasn’t properly written so it did confuse people. Alliance attacked first, then the Horde retaliated against the expedition that moved into the area.
Basically here’s how it played out.
After Sargeras stabbed Azeroth with his sword the Goblins were quick to get down there and start a mining operation to start extracting Azerite. Matthias Shaw warns Anduin about this (which is the cinematic we see in-game) and says that he’s sending agents to observe the operation.
Alliance players could then go to Silithus where they’d get quests from Matthias to attack the Goblin mining operation. If you pay attention to the dialogue, he references the speech that Anduin just gave that day, meaning that Matthias Shaw and the SI:7 left immediately after Matthias warned Anduin about Azerite and what the Horde were doing to get it.
The Explorer’s League members who were attacked in Silithus by the Horde don’t arrive until a few weeks later. We know this because Anduin travels to various Alliance cities in the weeks that follow and meets with leaders. One of those meetings was in Ironforge where Anduin meets with the very Explorer’s League members who were going to travel to Silithus.
And even then, according to the timeline of events that we’re presented, it takes time for the Horde to attack the Explorer’s League members. About a month between the time when Anduin gave his speech and when the Explorer’s League was attacked by the Horde.
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