You mean a toe deep puddle of water with no historical depth or complexity constantly scrambling to create new content and tying up loose ends of a barely coherent narrative written by a gaggle of devs who from the onset were fairly right wing frat bro types that caused an inhospitable work environment while projecting their thinly veiled prejudices, frustrations, misogyny, and racism onto the game?
I play the game for what the game could be and arguably should be
Not for the trite slop it currently is and has been
Or we can point out their failures while also pointing out what is narratively necessary to stop being failures and we can get more narrative depth like with the Orc Heritage Quests, the Centaur quests, the Tuskarr quests, and more this expansion.
One of the horde’s intended selling points is a faction that pushes back against an overbearing, prejudiced alliance. There’s really no way around that. It’s supposed to be what makes them misfits and a found family, etc.
Without the alliance doing that, the premise of the faction as advertised just doesn’t work. And it’s not like the alliance started out as the morally righteous faction in the first place; both sides had their dirty aspects in the beginning. But only the alliance had those sanded off while the horde’s was accentuated.
Like, keep in mind that the alliance half of the Dragonscale Expedition is made up of the same Explorer’s League that was genociding tauren tribes and tearing up their land in vanilla.
Speak for yourself. I don’t mind being the bad guy. The humanization of all Horde races is the real problem here. Anyone who played the first two games knows this.
Nonsensical? So it doesn’t make sense to form strong alliances based off of mutual aid and continue those alliances which make the Horde stronger as a result?
Because that’s what’s bound many of the core races together. The Orcs, Trolls and Tauren are bound due to mutual aid. Thrall with the Orcs saved Vol’jin and his people from being wiped out, likewise with Cairne and the Tauren. Sure the leaders are also friends who respect one another, but that friendship is not what keeps the Horde united.
The same is true for most of the other races of the Horde as well.
The Forsaken were welcomed in by the Horde after having their attempts to join the Alliance rejected and their diplomats killed. They in turn aided the Blood Elves, who also had to deal with Alliance assaults on their territory and technology. The Goblins? Helped the Horde evade the Alliance who were trying to abduct Thrall. The Nightborne? Joined the Horde after being spurned and treated poorly by Tyrande and the Alliance. The Mag’har? Saved from getting murdered by the Lightbound thanks to the Horde. Zandalari Trolls? Had their King slaughtered by the Alliance and yep, the Horde came to their defense. Vulpera? Attacked by the Alliance for no good reason, was aided by the Horde.
The only races that are somewhat iffy are the Pandaren and Highmountain Tauren. Those two races don’t really have a strong reason to stay. For the Pandaren, the forces that are Horde loyal were almost immediately turned on by Garrosh and since then the Horde hasn’t really ‘done’ anything for them to keep them around. For the Highmountain, the only thing tying them to the Horde (beyond a potential relationship between Baine and Mayla) is friendship, seeing as both the Horde and Alliance aided the Highmountain Tauren and unlike the Nightborne, the Alliance didn’t treat the Highmountain Tauren like they were a lesser species.
This is just showing your ignorance of the lore more than anything else.
He was good friends with Saurfang and Vol’jin before their deaths. He remains close to Thrall, and he’s earned the respect/friendship of Lor’themar, Thalyssra, Gazlowe, Rok’han and Calia Menethil.
Just because YOU don’t like him (which is fine, you don’t have to) doesn’t mean everyone feels that way.
He is a disgrace to the faction. He should have been killed by the Jailer.
Blizzard always lies. They know Baine is not loyal to the Horde and never will be. He is part of the alliance now and he will always betray the Horde to his human masters.
After what happened in BfA, I find it unlikely, yes. Especially since some of the races in the Horde are diametrically opposed, like the Tauren/HM and the Forsaken/Goblins.
In fact, considering how detrimental the Horde has been for the tauren since at least Cataclysm, I’m surprised that there’s anything keeping them tied to the Horde at this point. Same thing for the night elves and the Alliance after BfA.
You realize the bulk of the Horde was down with what happened in BFA yes?
Only a small portion of the Horde were opposed to what happened and ultimately joined Saurfang’s rebellion.
But even if they were opposed, what happened after the end of BFA made it clear that the Horde saw the issues and was addressing them. New leadership for the Forsaken and Goblins (since Sylvanas and Gallywix both bailed and went to the Shadowlands), Horde council to ensure what happened with Sylvanas and Garrosh would never happen again.
It was not the Alliance last skyship. At best it was probably its most famous skyship because of its role in taking down deathwing but the Alliance always had other airships.
Dealing with Odyn Sylvanas was doing us a favor here. Anything that hurts that douchebag is a win for all of Azeroth. Genn should be standing trial in Pandaria for his crimes against the Horde.
First, that’s an overstatement, although I understand why you say it because the devs have been retconning Thrall’s past over time to make the humans more important and his orc mentors less important.
Second and more importantly, who raised Thrall is irrelevant when it comes to why players choose factions and why they like them.
Preach it.
Not the way I see it, but if that’s your definition, then I see why you said chaotic.
The devs continue to at least pay lip service to the idea that the Horde aren’t “the bad guys,” which suggests that this is still their vision and goal. They are just terrible as all get-out when it comes to implementing it.