In the Antorus raid we see in the Burning Throne that Sargeras set up some Titan areas with Titan forged and Titan watchers, so why would he even need demons when he could just use his own native technology and creations to do his burning crusade. Also they’d be a lot stronger than demons so surely it’s a no brainer.
I don’t believe we’re given an explicit reason, so any answer is going to be speculation.
Maybe he was worried that the other Titans would step in to stop him, and a Titanforged army would be easier for them to seize control of. That would certainly explain why he only ever had Titanforged forces in his most secret sanctum, where the others wouldn’t see them.
Maybe it was a question of time. We have no idea how long it takes to build a Titanforged army, but the Demons were already ready to go. All he had to do was crack the prison and point.
Maybe the inherent immortality of demons was a strategic advantage that he considered to be critical to his plans.
Maybe he considered Titan forces to be inherently more susceptible to void corruption, while Demons were not. Again, the fact that he hid his Titanforged where the Void couldn’t get to them aligns with this.
Maybe he wasn’t originally very good at creating Titanforged and only figured it out a few millennia after the Burning Crusade started. Maybe he needed Agrammar to do it, since Agrammar is tied into the origin of Azeroth’s Titanforged.
Maybe it’s multiple of these reasons. Maybe it’s all of them.
Titanforged are not all that great when you get right down to it. They get corrupted by the void and smashed in massive numbers by adventurers. And unlike demons, they don’t just regenerate. You have to keep making more.
I wll put any of the big, powerful demons against Archaedas any day. And he’s a whole keeper.
And archaedas got beat by a bunch of low level adventurers
He is like a Lucifer.
originally the pacts bound demons to him I think.
Like for example the eredar were his and the orcs were bound to Mannoroth. Like a deal with the devil, you get some power but lose your soul.
Rate my theory… he fought the titans and got cast out of titan heaven planet with his constructs mostly destroyed. Then used the demons and fel after his first defeat
There’s no need to theorize on Sargeras’s path to creating the Burning Legion. It’s already been pretty clearly outlined, and he didn’t have direct conflicts with the other Titans until long after the Burning Crusade started.
Infinitely regenerating army vs robot army you have to keep making more of.
I think the resource costs outline a clear winner here.
It is said that Sargeras found the demons and their regeneration in the twisting nether intriguing.
I always figured it was cause he was a warrior not a builder, He could only corrupt what had already been made he had never learned how to make titanforged
I feel like it is probably these two.
We know that Sargeras eventually wanted to create his own “Dark Pantheon” and possibility replace the demons with them. After he saw Azeroth for a split second before he was thrusted back out of the portal during the War of the Ancients.
So I imagine the idea did not come to him until that point. But he is after all just one Titan. Hell it might be possible that the Titanforged did not exist until the Titans found Azeroth. So Sargeras probably did not know of their existence until the War of the Ancients. As some Earthen did fight in that conflict. Under the leadership of Dungard Ironcutter.
in the meantime, an infinitely respawning army that followed might makes right was good enough for his goals.
To be fair the guy did just wake up after a roughly 12k year nap.
This was made before we had Chronicles where the keeper’s power levels were decided upon, more or less. In lore they should be the most powerful beings on the planet but in game that’s really represented poorly. Besides maybe Odyn throwing a spear at a Legion spaceship and blowing it up.
The core of Argus has Titanforged and modified Titanic architecture. There is no existing indication the Pantheon had been there previously.
I would say all of the Pantheon have at least some capacity for “Ordering” planets, as we see similar structures on Elunaria and know Aggramar did some tinkering with Draenor.
Highly doubt this. The titans have an M.O. about cultivating worlds to create ideal conditions for life to prosper and awaken any world-soul that might be inside. I doubt that they were doing it by themselves until Azeroth.
Although the titanforged found on Azeroth were mainly created to deal with the Old Gods. Afterwards they were given other directives. So who knows.
There is a distinction between using titanforged and doing things “alone”. Because the discs of norgannon in vanilla WoW Uldaman tell us that the stone and metal constructs of earthen and giants were absolutely not the “normal” or default thing for Titans to make on worlds they order. Fleshy sentient mortals are the normal and default thing that Titans make on all previous worlds. The unusual old god corruption which the Titans discovered when they found Azeroth was what made them think of a backup plan of trying the titanforging. So I could imagine that on every other previous world the Titans would probably just make thousands and thousands of fleshy sentient mortals to steward and protect life there while the Titans were away. They would very much not be alone.
But that would lead to the very big worry which Sargeras had…when he discovered a Void planet elsewhere, he probably realized that all the fleshy sentient mortals which the pantheon had been creating all over the universe were the perfect target for void to corrupt.
So to answer the initial topic question; I suspect that Sargeras thought the demons being recycled according to his permission might be a better option than titanforging.
One major thing about Sargeras which I have been wondering is… if we have all the facts about the Nathrezim being used to deceive and trick Sargeras into starting his burning legion; would us sharing all that information with Sargeras make Sargeras change his attitude at all? Would he have any regrets? While I would never forgive him for what he did, could there ever be storyline which includes Sargeras fixing even some portion of the problems he caused?
I don’t think so because while Sargeras was tricked by the Dreadlords, the void very much was still a direct threat. The trick was convincing Sargeras that all life must end to avoid a voidy reality. Hence why all worlds, regardless if they had world souls or not were invaded by the Legion or were soon going to be.
Sometimes the truth is a better tool at manipulating someone than a well crafted lie.
You can by all means correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t that something Sargeras came to on his own? All the nathrezim did was convince him the void wanted a world soul to corrupt. Sargeras came to the decision that all life must end to (I honestly don’t precisely recall what his endgoal there was).
It is possible that he came to it on his own, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the Dreadlords gave him that idea when they also told him about the world soul that was about to be corrupted by the void via some Old Gods.
Off topic but I still reckon the void elf hub is the ruins of that planet.
The quote from Nether-Prince Durzaan honestly hints towards it.
Even shattered as it is, this place echoes with the whispers of the great ones who were slain… and the hatred of he who broke this world.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Telogrus_Rift#cite_note-prince-3
Also Locus-walker’s quote about Telogrus rift
This is a very old place. Broken by rage, yet sculpted by the threads of fate.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Locus-Walker#Telogrus_Rift
Though I didn’t ask if he would find the void to not be a threat. Only if he would have a change in attitude knowing that he was manipulated into the methods of the burning crusade that he used.
The lore of the Dreadlords shifted more than once. For Warcraft 3, Metzen portrayed them as demons to start with…who were discovered by Sargeras and told him about the Void to protect themselves from his wrath as a Titan demonslayer. But then in WoW in preparation for Burning Crusade, Chris Metzen wrote more details to shift the context so it would fit with his plans for Burning Crusade…and in that writing he reformulated the Dread Lords to be as if they were a race of Nathrezim from a planet Nathreza therefore not originally demons…and only took on fel magic to trick Sargeras into not punishing them. Then of course, during shadowland the terrible replacement writers tried to change it again… making them not only not be demons, but also not being from any planet Nathreza in the great dark beyond either…and instead were some kind of constructed spies in the death realms. This doesn’t make sense to me, because their writing also claimed that Denathrius was a robot without a soul, and so we don’t know if this version of nathrezim are souls at all, let alone if the stoneborn are souls, or if the venthyr were all souls before being given vampire bodies.
Anyway… no matter which of the 3 versions of Dreadlords manipulating Sargeras… it makes me wonder if he would change even an attitude by us revealing those manipulations to him.