Why didn't Arthas rise Uther as a death knight?

Wouldn’t that make sense? Plus add aditional shame/domination over his former mentor?

Same with his father? Make his father a barely sentient ghoul that sat behindhim.

pretty sure we tried in LEgion, but the light protected him. As well, when he killed Uther he was still Arthas, not the Lich King.

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Basically, the story changed from WCIII to WoW. In Warcraft III, Paladins could simply not be raised as undead, no matter what. Deathknights in WCIII were still living mortals, often Paladins who had lost their faith in humanity, that decided to serve the Lich King in return for power.

So, because of that, Uther was just killed instead of raised.

Source for Warcraft III Deathknight lore: Warcraft III - Undead → Units → Death Knight (battle.net)

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Cause Uther is a robot. Duh. I mean really.

Or maybe a dreadlord that’s been plotting with Jaina ready to steal the key to the dragon isles that leads to whatever distant lands are beyond the horizon. Mists of Vulperia maybe.

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Not true.

Original Warcraft III lore and lore that’s still true today is that Paladins were immune to plagues and diseases. This meant that they could not be raised into undeath via the plague. You could dump the plague of undeath on a group of paladins and while they would die, they could not be reanimated.

For a Paladin to be turned into a Death Knight (as Alexandros Mograine was) it required powerful necromantic rituals performed either by a very skilled necromancer (or group of necromancers) or a Lich like Kel’thuzad.

Arthas, at the time that Uther died, was still coming to grips with his power. So it’s likely that he simply lacked the power at that time to raise Uther and turn him into a Death Knight. He also probably didn’t want Uther anywhere near him, given that he despised him in the end.

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That was Tirion, but there does seem to be some manner of protection from Undeath for certain Paladins who serve the Light. Not sure how far that goes given what befell Sir Zeliek, but it seems to be the case sometimes.

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No, they wouldn’t. Because immune means immune. In Warcraft III, the plague simply did not affect them.

That’s World of Warcraft lore, not Warcraft III lore. In the link I shared, it stated: “The Lich King offered them untold power in exchange for their services and loyalty. The weary, vengeful warriors accepted his dark pact, and although they retained their humanity, their twisted souls were bound to his evil will for all time.” They willingly chose to become Death Knights. And, they remained among the living, no Necromantic rituals required.

Blizzard retcons their own lore all the time, though, so it can be annoying to follow.

Paladins still need to be able to breath oxygen friend. If there’s no oxygen for them to breath because it’s all plague, then they’re going to die. Bolvar Fordragon was a Paladin. What did he die to? The plague, because he suffocated.

I’m aware of what the Warcraft III lore says. What it does not say is that they could not be raised into undeath, at all, which is what you claimed. What the lore states is that they are immune to diseases (which makes them immune to the Plague of Undeath) not that they can’t be raised by necromancy.

Do you know what other race was immune to the plague of undeath but could be raised by necromancy? The Nerubians.

That was Tirion, not Uther.

ah yes yes, thanks. It’s been a while since I did that quest.

post edit: Although I am sure the light would protect the devout anyway.

Arthas already had one sarcastic undead mentor figure giving him crap, he didn’t need two.

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That’s fine, but that’s irrelevant to Warcraft III. The plague in WC3 was a disease, not some blob of goo launched from a catapult or anything like the Forsaken’s “plague” in World of Warcraft. The plague in Warcraft III didn’t choke people or keep them from breathing.

Okay, that’s fair. It doesn’t state they can’t be raised in undeath by other means aside from the plague. However, the question wasn’t just about raising Uther in undeath. It was raising him as a Death Knight. Death Knights, at the time, were not actually undead.

Uhh yeah they were.

When Arthas turned into a Death Knight by losing his soul to Frostmourne he became undead. How do we know this? Because he was literally able to rip out his own heart and toss it down a pit underneath Icecrown Citadel, and that was ‘before’ he returned to Lordaeron and murdered his father.

All Death Knights were undead. This is not contestable. The paladins that became the Second Generation of Death Knights all gave up their souls for power. The moment they did that, they became undead.

Even in Warcraft III this is confirmed because Death Knights could be harmed/killed by a Paladin using Holy Light on them, just like any other undead unit.

That’s World of Warcraft lore, not Warcraft III lore.

They specifically claimed they “retained their humanity” in the link I provided.

Acolytes could be killed by Holy Light, too. It doesn’t make them undead. In fact, they’re specifically alive until you sacrifice them to turn them into Shades.

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This is the correct answer.

A bit incorrect, Arthas removed his heart after becoming the Lich King because of his battle with Illidan. He believed it was the reason he nearly lost his fight with Illidan.