This is by far the worst decision that has been made so far. Spell reflect for PvP was SO good for us. This is terrible.
Because it’s baseline now.
Mystery solved.
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Because now it’s back to being baseline for the spec? Because they felt like it? Why else.
It’s not even close to what it was. It reflects one spell and disappears. Barely viable in a PvP scenario.
The PVP Spell Reflect talent was the wording of “Reflecting all spells.” it was a way or a small wall with it’s the duration to stop Warlocks and mages from instantly just getting their burst directly on your sort of wall.
The new Spell Reflect only grants you “ONE” spell to reflect + a magic reduction in damage by 20% while it’s active. But people forget it only reflects ONE Spell and poof there goes the magic reduction. This is good for PVE content as most people will agree it’s good to deal damage back to a boss when it cast a spell. But them removing it as a PVP talent that had wording “Reflects all spells” makes any warrior spec a punching bag just like Ret paladins (Funny Ik). It’s better for that wording to still be in place as a PVP talent as it was originally still on the PTR for good 2-3 weeks before it was removed just because it’s “Baseline”
Better for it to be a PVP talent have the extra ability to reflect all spells in PVP related content.
Blizzard is really trading your one content for another if you’re a pvper and good luck doing that as arms when you’re now focused target.
it was always one spell before legion/bfa. With so many others ability added as a baseline warriors are op compared to bfa
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Backstabbath already broke this down pretty well in the last thread we had about this, so I’m just going to quote him on over here.
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While I agree to a certain extent, one of the issues SR had before is that a single spell from a pet and your SR was gone. They didn’t buff it just because and it going back to the way it was before, brings the issues it had back then.
Just like when they removed the stun from charge and everyone was jumping charge and we could never get to the target. I’m sure if they brought that iteration of charge, some people would argue "that’s just how it was before, people worried about the change are the people constantly getting jumped.
In a way, it’s pretty cool to have it baseline now, but also it will bring the bad QoL issues it had way back.
Did you PvP in any expansion that’s not Legion or BfA?
Spell Reflect has been more than viable in its SL form.
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Oh no… you might have to… actually… outplay… someone…
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It sucks that they removed it but we are getting ignore pain back and die by the sword on (what looks like) a 1 min 20 sec cooldown (from a rank 15 conduit).
I’ll take the old single Spell Reflect baseline with a freed up talent slot over the newer talented one any day.
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I think you guys missed the point. they’re not asking to replace the spell reflect as it, just gives it an option for it be a PVP talent be there still for certain comps like mages, warlocks etc. Back then one spell reflect was norm due to content and way classes work now it’s completly different seeing how warlocks spam Cbolt for days.
It brings back to the old issue it had before where anyone could just immeditality remove the spell reflect and people will not like that at all.
That would be a terrible PvP talent and I highly doubt it’d ever see use.
It might see use in low rated play by bad players, but that’s really about it.
Don’t get faked or spell reflect something dumb then. I remember beating the tar out of frost mages as an arms warrior WOTLK-MoP. Highly ironic seeing how frost mages hard countered warriors back then, but if you spell reflected Deep Freeze, you basically just auto won.
It’s a git gud issue. We don’t need more safety net effects on abilities like that. That goes for all classes.
Don’t get me started on Reverse Magic for DHs.
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What you mean it was basically the number one thing you use against spellcasters all the time ever since it was in use, it’s a 3-second wall that literally can kill people with their own combust or cbolt spam if they constantly cast right into it, if not it was basically a free 3 second wall that let you beat them a lot.
plus the fact it stops DH wings 100% of the time when they just spam the bombs right on to the target doing almost 80% of your HP when you don’t do anything about it.
Yeah, because it was the only means of having a reflect. If you didn’t take it, you didn’t have reflect period.
Which it was never meant to be in the first place. It is not supposed to be a defensive cooldown essentially.
That only happens to awful players. No decent player sees a warrior pop Spell Reflect and goes “Hm, you know, now is the time to Combust or shoot some Dark Soul Chaos Bolts into this guy”
Good players will recognize firstly that the warrior has Spell Reflect available, and then probably try to bait it out before doing a metric ton of damage. Or wait until the warrior is CC’d so that he can’t reflect at all.
This is the kind of stuff that led to BFA being a caster meta circus.
Or…just LoS or range the DH and avoid that altogether.
I highly doubt you even know what arms and fury warrior is for PVP for past Legion and BFA seasons from your response nitpicking the small details. Does it really matter that much to you when you say “It’s bad for PVP” cus I think you just smoking something that makes no sense what you’re saying?
Why you think it was a PVP talent for a 3-second wall (That reflects all spells mind you) in the first place especially if a good warrior can wait for the right time at the last second to bait them into casting all in to their spell reflect in the first place, and it’s more viable if your chasing them down to death they attempt to cast fear on you or sheep you to get away (Which you literally can heroic throw or charge to break it instantly)
It’s not a BFA caster meta circus it was literally just unbalanced on how everything was tuned around azerite, essences, corruption. Why you think Destro did so well when they just stack million haste to instantly fire 4 Cbolts into someone and just fear them constantly to do that
Your argument of it not good for PVP related things is stupid especially when I used it against firemage / sin comps that smoke bomb and I spell reflect it while under smoke so I can get the hell out to be healed and ruin the game for them. due to the fact, the firemage will constantly cast GPIE to literally nuke me down.
This was a PVP talent for a reason just because your reasoning “It’s either spell reflect or not.” is not the problem it’s fine for PVE content now. But not well for PVP content, you’re basically trading one thing for the other in terms how good it will be.
Why you think I been wanting it as a PVP talent(With this variation just for PVP ONLY)
None of what you just said makes sense. Did grammar hurt you or something?
Here it is. Simplest way I can put it. This is what you are asking for:
Spell Reflect - Baseline - Reflect the next spell cast on you, and reduce spell damage taken by 20% for 3 seconds
Spell Reflect - PvP Talent - Replaces Spell Reflect - Your Spell Reflect no longer reduces damage taken, but now reflects all spells for 3 seconds.
You would really waste a PvP talent slot for that? I mean what is 3 seconds anyway, 3 globals max? And that’s if the genius you’re fighting against somehow is worse than you are and keeps casting into reflect.
You actually think you should be able to negate an entire RMX smoke bomb go, simply by pressing a button that’s on a 25 second cooldown? Talk about stupid.
Again, Spell Reflect was never meant to be used like a DCD. This change literally doesn’t affect anyone except bad players.
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It certainly brings more things on to the table than one spell being reflected and poof there is your reduce spell damage by 20% which is easily removeable by like a hunter pet spell as example or lock / Mage pets as well.
So yes I will gladly replace that any day for reflecting all spells because you literally never PVP at all nor experience it from the comments your saying. If other people are saying that’s just stupid then you’re only one left in that party.
Don’t call me stupid when RMX smoke bomb is almost easy target for me being sapped, stunned into when I have to spell reflect and bladestorm out of there for my healer to heal me. Me not being one shot so really you’re more stupid. and calling majority of the warriors who complained probably at high enough rating in RATED PVP to have a say in this sort of deal by saying they’re “Bad”
Not to mention you haven’t PVP since 2018 since probably S1 of BFA so Idk what you’re saying and why you think it’s right for you say anything on this sort of deal about spell reflect when you didn’t pvp for the expansion while I had to as a FURY WARRIOR Of all things as well.
I really hate doing this but you want to play that game.
I literally have more games played than you on alts. I’ve also played at higher ratings than you on alts. Let alone my warrior. So you can put down the whole “you don’t even PvP” act.
Literally only trash warriors would replace the baseline reflect and waste a pvp talent slot just to have it reflect all spells for 3 seconds.
I can tell you’re not very experienced because you just mentioned reflecting a polymorph. You rarely want to do that, especially in arenas.
Spell Reflect is not a safety net DCD because you got faked or reflected some trash spell like a warlock’s imp’s firebolt.
Also that’s cute that you went as far as looking at my achievements. Now try looking at feats of strength. There’s 2 duelist titles there, one from season 1 and one from this season. And the season 1 title was as fury as well. You’re not telling me anything. I’d give you an A for effort but, you didn’t even give any effort.
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