I remember doing some random WQ for G then suddenly you get a warforge/titanforge trinket to the Raid ilvl for your alt. was cool kinda.
I guess the 0.5% playerbase aka Mythic raiders hated it? hardly I ran by any casual that says it was a bad system or he/she hated the system.
Itâs because of the endless grind of getting it. Getting bis wasnât good enough. You needed BIS TF.
You were incentivized to run trivial content for upgrades.
It mostly applied to Raiders in general, who didnât want to run 2~3 difficulties of raid for gear for eternity based on a low RNG chance.
Except the ones who never got a TF item.
Idk itâs week whatever and I still donât have spymaster. I donât even want to know what trying to get that plus TF would be like.
I think it largely comes down to it adding further RNG to a system that already has a lot of RNG.
For a lot of people, having RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG doesnât feel great.
To many crybabies that couldnât control themselves they had to have max tf no matter what.
I donât think many people mind a WQ dropping a TF item, itâs more like a piece of gear drops for you normally but someone else got it with 25 extra ilvls and it gives 3% avoidance, so now they are just given a golden egg. It got even worse with PL where you canât give a friend BIS gear because it was a 5ilvl WF upgrade to what you have, THAT WAS DUMB. >:c
It wasnât about that at all. It went overboard. Iâd kill one non elite mob in a BfA WQ and watch it forge into a Heroic raid ilevel piece.
Yep. It was a combination of them not wanting to play the game to get rewards (as so often we hear them saying about we people on the pavement) and the idea that people who didnât deserve rewards were not only getting rewards, but that they were getting the best gear in the game from the easiest content in the game.
Of course, the way it was structured, that didnât happen. But we saw plenty of lies in the forum about imaginary players who had gotten full sets of better than mythic ilvl gear out of LFR the first week it was released. Of course no one was ever able to find that armory to link to prove it had happened. But thatâs the sort of lies that the best hoaxes are built on, because those people wanted to believe it. And they heard it from someone who read it on the internet so it must be true.
Yes. That is commonly referred to as âdegenerative gameplay.â Itâs just bad game design and Blizz tends to shut systems that fall into that category down.
For example, the change away from letting people farm +2s to upgrade their gear.
people hated all the âundesirablesâ being able to get super lucky and receive gear they believe they didnt deserve.
RNG gear is annoying enough. Adding even more randomness on top that was extremely unpleasant. 
And yet they killed titanforging, where the system was designed so that couldnât happen. Never happened once. Lower difficulty content simply could not titanforge higher than a cap, a cap that was much lower than higher difficulty content.
Yet here you are, trying to convince people that it happened that players got better-than-mythic ilvl gear from world quests and normal dungeons, even though we both know thatâs a lie. It was a lie back then, and it is still a lie.
The idea that playing the game the way it was designed and intended to be played was an exploit when lesser mortals did it is unbecoming of those of you on the pedestal.
Well, I guess Blizzard disagrees, so the best thing I can say isâŚstay mad, lol.
Youâre not getting your degenerative systems back.
I enjoyed it. But I always simply take gear as it comes, and I donât Mythic raid and such. It was a fun bonus to me, an unexpected surprise. I still miss it a bit tbh.
Iâve never liked the RNG stacked on RNG system of farming the same items over and over again in the hopes that the stars align and it upgrades into the version I need it.
I didnât like it when Diablo 3 decided to use it before they adopted it for WoW.
I will gladly take the upgrade system over it, even if I have a few gripes with how itâs done.
warforging was fine. a minor upgrade as a surprise
titanforging was not fine. gear a whole tier above the difficulty in which it dropped as a result of nothing but luck? thatâs too much.
I liked the TF gearing system but it required a lot of grinding to max out your gear and so was not good for alts for those who didnât play enough Many did not like it for that reason.
Cute that you are trying to double down on the lie. No, Blizzard did not agree with you that everybody who wasnât a mythic raider was practicing âdegenerate gameplayâ every time they got a +15 warforged item off a world quest. Nor that there were large numbers of ultrahigh titanforged pieces out there that were higher than the theoretical cap they had put on it. Nor also that players who had never done difficult content had managed to get a full set of better than mythic ilvl titanforged gear.
No one was ever able to link to even one player who had such gear without doing at least heroic raiding. Nor was anyone able to find even one mythic raider who was using even one piece of gear from LFR.
My gosh youâre feeling whiny today. Declaring everyone who wasnât a mythic raider in Legion as âdegenerateâ is beyond degenerate on your part. Why do you even play a game where you are forced to tolerate an overwhelming majority who you think shouldnât even be permitted to play your game?
It was great for people who really liked to play and played a lot. My then boyfriend had every legendary on every class. Thatâs how much he played.