Why did it take so long for the horde fleet to arrive?

kalimdor is veeeeeeery close to khaz algar so i found it strange that the alliance ships got there first in the cutscene where they all arrive

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Watsonian answer: The Forsaken and Belves had to go around the long way and they all linked up before heading out

Doyalist answer: It wasn’t considered, and if it was, they weren’t going to inexplicably have the horde show up first and mill around waiting for the other side in the Alliance pride expac.

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Could’ve been faster if Thrall didn’t convince the Zandalari that fought during the Siege of Daza’lor to help Jania. :robot::thought_balloon:

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Could have been a simple of case of ‘Hey, lets meet up at X and then sail in together.’

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Turalyon mentions it took so long because the armistice with the Horde is a lot more fragile than people realize.

There were likely a lot of negotiations on how many troops would be sent out, what kinds of weapons would be permitted—Likely a ban on forsaken Blight for example—and so forth. One of the stipulations might of been a joint fleet consisting of an equal number of ships from both sides. That meant assembling the united fleet before sailing to Dorn.

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Yeah, thats what i think, Horde and alliance sailed together.

The banther must have been awesome.

It would make sense for them to meet at a rally point then advance on the isle as a unified force.

Don’t trickle in.

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A tentative fleet of two opposing factions that must sail together. Yeah, if they are facing a potential new threat they are going to want to make a good show of force.

supposed military tactics and all that.

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I mean, they apparently sailed in piecemeal to the broken shore and got picked off by ghost pirates because of it, might as well show up as an armada.

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IMO I could see all these factors playing a part.

  • Coordination with the Alliance: They had to play nice after being at each other’s throats. That means a bunch of meetings, planning, and making sure neither side felt like the other was about to jump them. As mentioned by Turalyon and how uneasy the truce actually was.

  • Logistics: Getting all those ships together, stocked up, and ready to go isn’t like hopping on a gryphon. Takes time to gather everyone and everything.

  • Strategic Moves: They probably took the long way around to avoid any accidental skirmishes or sensitive areas. Plus, they needed to make sure they weren’t sailing into a trap, someone else mentioned during the broken shore campaign pirates picked off lone ships so it only makes sense.

  • Politics: You know how it is, everyone’s got an opinion. Horde/Alliance leaders probably had to hash out their differences before setting sail.

  • Weather and Sea Stuff: Can’t just ignore the weather. If the sea’s rough, you wait it out.

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He didn’t. Didn’t see any Zandalari ships or soldiers. Le me be delusional and pretend Talanji rejected his plea.

Probably why it took Thrall so long. :hourglass_flowing_sand::robot:

…and now that’s why Mekkatorque isn’t allowed near Zandalar because of the giant Gorilla, nearly flattening the horde capital pyramid, and exploding ships. Turns out he was a bigger menace. :man_judge:

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Blizzard didn’t want the Horde present in the Alliance-Only leveling campaign.

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I think the horde’s war ship had to be gutted as to not include any cannons or other useful weapons and also was delayed to not interfere with alliance only leveling quest experience

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Short answer: Between resources, time, and game play mechanics it just made the most sense to make a single cinematic of both of them arriving.

If you want a lore explanation the best one would be just that they met up together. Remember we just lost a city full of some of the strongest people in the world. It would make sense for everyone to want to merge the fleets before approaching the area that a swarm of Nerubians might just decide to attack you. More power together rather than risking smaller groups being overwhelmed. Arriving a bit later is better than losing half your ships because they were staggered out and sunk.

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In terms of fleet advantages, Alliance had the upper hand.

  • Horde were still building more ships during BFA – many of which the Alliance or Queen Azshara had decimated either way when built, and as for the grand Zandalari fleet — That was blown to the sky in the Dazar’alor raid …

The Alliance Kul’tiran fleet didn’t suffer the same losses the Zandalari had, so the Alliance dwarf the Horde in military might with their navy.

You have to remember with the lore:

  • Horde are pathetic loser scum. :-1:
  • And the Alliance are the mighty glorious champions :muscle:

And it will always be that way.

As for heroic situations, the Alliance will also always be the main-focus and the Horde will merely be the support characters. :blush:

:person_shrugging: Honestly, myself & others aren’t going to be all too surprised if they go that route in Midnight either - despite it being focussed around Quel’Thalas.

lazy peons

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Ah yes, TWW really instills a lot of pride. Such as…

-Peers at the expansion-

Alleria being led around by the nose by Xal’atath the entire time until the very last second.

Or…

-Peers at the expansion again-

Moira getting the hammer of Thor despite not showing any sort of growth towards being considered worthy of it.

Sarcasm aside, while Kalimdor may be closer to the island, that doesn’t mean the Horde can get its fleets, forces, and supplies organized as fast as the Alliance. Right now, the Horde is led by a council, meaning it’s a lot slower to react than it was when it had a Warchief, as each member of the council would, in effect, have to organize their own individual people, discuss who’s providing which supplies, and go over the logistics of transport.

By comparison, the Alliance has a singular leader right now in the form of Turalyon, whom has the authority to organize the Alliance’s response much more swiftly.

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Yeah they did.
Twice in the same expansion.
Roux’s book confirms that the Horde and Alliance are completely even.

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We know that no need to rub it in.