I am just curious, where did this actual hatred come from?
I mean he started his life as a literal nobody.
But i love the alliance
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Not you, the real Garrosh, the Greatest Warchief who ever lived!!
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Aw :(. No one like me
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One day Garrosh was doing nothing wrong like he always did and I accidentally scared him while doing rogue things its all my fault.
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Jaina blew him off.
Thrall laughs.
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Because the Alliance sort of screwed over the Horde after Wrath. Everything he did afterwards was with the intention of the Horde never being at their mercy like that again.
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When Garrosh first went to Orgrimmar all he could see was Orcs struggling to live in the desert with no resources.
The Night Elves had ashenvale which was tons of lumber and land for food. The Dwarves were mining minerals from the Barrens, the humans had outposts in the barrens and right next to Razor hill.
He was basically mad that Thrall was letting the Alliance walk all over the Horde and that they weren’t helping the horde at all, but were instead stealing resources from Horde land.
Garrosh and Thrall also went to Theramore to talk to Varian and Jaina about peace and helping each other. The Twilight cult attacked during it and both sides blamed each other on the attack. Varian said they tried to have him assassinated and Garrosh said they were just trying to frame the Horde.
After that Garrosh hated the Alliance.
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i like u bb 
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Because Blizz wanted him to.
They wanted to stoke the fire between the two factions because their efforts to do so in Vanilla and BC fell flat because they had written Thrall into a peaceful corner. So they basically tried to remake the rage monster Grom in the form of his son to act as a counterbalance to Thrall’s more peaceful nature. You can’t have a rage monster without something to rage at so they made up some weak reasons in a book as a starting point to build on.
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There is only one reason, or maybe two.
Warcraft = Needs a war with the Alliance and the Horde. And PVP. (Otherwise poor reasons to make the war.) I mean… why name the other faction the Horde other to be an enemy to all those who really may not have forgotten about what the old one did. Thrall could have done a whole lot better if he had a different name. But nope, needed everything as it was so there could be a faction war or two or… five.
I disagree with that, but you’re right that Blizzard thought that, so it doesn’t matter what I think.
Warcraft was still Warcraft in Warcraft 3 when there wasn’t really a war between Alliance and Horde at all.
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Exactly this.
It also got worse when the Elements started acting up before the Cataclysm. All the Orc farms failed due to drought forcing the farmers to move back to Org. At the same time the Night Elves cut off all imports to Org from Ashenvale which increased starvation among the Orcs to new heights.
By then he had enough but he still didn’t break the treaty. It wasn’t until the Alliance invaded (blaming the Horde for Twilights Hammer) that Garrosh had his excuse for total war.
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But he was already mad with the Alliance in the first patch of Wrath:
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Not just Blizzard. The amount of people I see screaming “War in WarCraft!” who would literally quit if the arbitrary WoW factions were broken up or made less relevant is … well, there’s a lot.
I just sit there wondering how they think the Night Elves being a part of the Alliance is how things have always been and should always be… Did they play WC3?
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Well, that was also after the Alliance assaulted the Undercity over something they didn’t do, plus he was pretty upset between BC and Wrath when he found out how the Alliance was continually encroaching on Horde land and taking resources from it.
Over something they didn’t admit to doing, but actually did, we’ve found out.
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As far as I’m aware the only thing that’s been confirmed is that she ordered the creation of the Blight, not that she orchestrated the betrayal at the Wrathgate.
Either way, Garrosh wasn’t aware of any of that.
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So our whole conflict is based on a lie.
Nice.
“Heart of War,” which took place between “Burning Crusade” and “Wrath of the Lich King” makes it clear that Garrosh already had problems with the Alliance because:
-Orgrimmar was economically dependent on imports from and hunting rights in Ashenvale.
-The Orcs were described elsewhere as near-starving to death in the barren wasteland of Durotar. (“Glory”)
-The Alliance was encroaching into Horde territory and Thrall was doing very little to stop it.
-Resource caravans were being raided by the Alliance with no official response from leadership.
We see that, by the end of BC, Thrall’s vision of the Horde is failing. He’s maintaining peaceful relations with the Alliance, but at the expense of everything else. He was fundamentally incapable of meeting the needs of his people, he was willing to allow violations of territorial integrity to go unanswered, and so on.
All of this occurred simply because “Maintaining peaceful relations with the Alliance” was given top priority under Thrall’s reign. It’s no wonder that Garrosh took a look at the Horde’s position after coming to Azeroth, and came to the conclusion that perpetual peace was mutually exclusive with the Horde’s growth and prosperity.
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