Unplayable because of who though? Blizzard or the players who have the decision to break the que system and or abuse the scaling and talent bug.
They have long since realized that the classes will never ever be balanced there are to many variables to keep track of.
They are getting a new bg and all I’ve heard people do is complain about it.
every second thread in bg forum is asking and begging for blizz to do something to prevent que synching. nothing.
every other post is about mm hunters being broken. nothing. FoTM is understandable it sells…but come on man. Things are broke right now.
New map coming…thats 1 in like 8 years. And whatever new thing they launch still doesnt mean all the other stuff has been corrected.
PVP players have a right to complain man. I’m not saying toxicity is ok. But they have a right to question WTH is going on at blizz in terms of state of pvp.
All of those problems are because of the playerbase.
The playerbase decides to reroll en mass every patch.
Blizzards systems work if no one tries their best to find loopholes around them and break them.
The community is why pvp is bad and thats it. Once they fix themselves then they can expect someone to come and help.
It’s just like the frogs in remix nerfed the goats nerfed to. This toxic playerbase has to Learn somehow.
single biggest problem with gaming mentality today. there is no integrity. people spend endless hours looking for the best way to cheese or cheat the game. these not sure how to classify them players think its totally cool and ok because they arent getting banned or otherwise “daddied” by the devs at blizzard so they falsely convince themselves they simply are smarter or figured a way that others didn’t. completely unaware their own lack of integrity is at the heart of the problem. since 2006 the amount of players that are willing to cheese through any content or pvp has only gone up, much like people cheating in exams.
Is your name Joe.
I’ve discovered people like to name their characters similar to their names.
Except me lul mine is Dante nothing like my in game name.
They should just take that final step and merge the factions for everything outside of world pvp.
i dunno Charming you are saying chicken and im saying egg…
I think the responsibility is on Blizz for a large part of it. Lets just use MM hunters for right now since its my biggest point of contention. Is it the player base that is at fault for them being able to come out of stealth and hit two CD’s before a player can even counter? Is it the players base fault for blizz not correcting it? Did the player base make MM hunter an OP broken class?
its both players n blizz blizz 4 allowin it 2 go on for weeks wit out balancing and players 4 bein sheep n fotm rerolling
People don’t think it will happen.
But i mean if you just look at where the story has been and is increasingly headed its looking more and more likely.
There is basically 0 faction aggression at all in the game anymore. But yet some people are still clinging onto it.
Its like the lore characters are just as tired as the players of that old song and dance.
Really? I’m all horde all day. I like that I’m For The Horde!
I saw someone on another thread saying the new map is pretty great for MM in particular. And yeah, complaints are across the board for PvP.
yeah did you hear the interview with Venruki and the PVP dev? He said that in the new bg its like a mashup of arathi and silvershard mines or something…and they have a ledge…
so there ya go. Just more MM hunter rewards for a broken class. I’m sure they should give them back double tap and maybe pally bubble…heck give them fear too. I feel like they dont have enough
I can respect your position Charming. And you’ve been around a long time. But I can’t really side with you on this. Blizz has completely neglected PVP. And it’s been that way since 2016 when Ion took over. Legion and BFA and its just never recovered nor has any effort been put into trying. So it’s not the player base man. I feel like you are wrong. and I say that with respect. And I dont say that very often to people on here
Even things like the proliferation of sync communities can be traced to their game design, both in leaving the exploit open and fodder systems that reward the winners additional competitive advantages over the losers. When I had a 20-something game losing streak in S1, mainly healing horde side, it felt like my getting better wasn’t going to help. I checked after a series of bad instances and I’d healed for more than my entire team’s damage. What can you do except seek competitive advantages outside of skill or quit?
Feels like a combo of blizz dropping the ball on pvp and pugs not wanting to work together. We have no new maps in forever. The old maps need reworking or updates. We cant even get npc or vehicle buffs to reflect higher gear stats. Even if we had perfect bg maps and mechanics, some pugs just dont want to lead or follow in bgs. Most want to zug and troll each other the entire match. If thats “casual” then they can keep it. I still go in to lead pugs outside prime time and get told all sorts of horrible things. Best comment so far has been that I should shoot myself for trying something different than zug to noob hill even though we won. Premades are a factor as well and the best defense against one is another premade. May not be ideal but premade communities can give some players a place to learn and get better. Regardless if more of these skilled and awesome pugs actually worked together then the advantage of premades wouldnt be as much. Many may not agree and thats ok. We all dont have to agree on how we want to play. If we do want change then we have to work together to bring information to blizz. Until then we just have a bunch of polarized bickering and name calling that doesnt help give a clear path forward. That being said, would blizz even make the changes for us? So far its been the same system and issues for far too long.
We should be able to agree that we’ll all follow the rules and respect the spirit of fair play.
It’s kinda pointless if there are rules for a competition and then some people go, “Nah… I disagree with these rules so I’ll do something else.” And that something else gives them an unfair advantage over other teams.
Does everyone hold hands and sing kumbaya before or after the agreement?
We’ll just bask in the glory that is playing a game mode that’s not in free fall due to people exploiting the entry level content, campfire songs will be optional and may get you killed if you’re flagged.
Well its like imagine you are blizzard no matter what you do somebody is going to cry about it.
A group likes premades albiet smaller. and a group doesn’t like premades.
A group likes more cc and another likes less cc.
Some people think it should be easier and some think it should be harder.
And ontop of that the classes can never be balanced. So thats just another lose lose situation.
And i think the only way around this is just basically telling 1 of those groups to take a hike cause otherwise you are trying to walk this line of trying to keep everybody happy and in the end nobody is happy.
And i think they’ve told pvper’s/people who like premades to take the hike.
I just want premades to face each other and pugs fill in the gaps…
But if one team has a premade and one does not its usually a white wash.
I have managed to get a few of the premade guys alone and usually win against them, then they gather together and come try hunt me down for retribution 
Even Blitz seems a bit one sided now if the enemy team has a Duo team and we dont, im sitting at about 2k mmr and only facing Duo lobbies at this level. Feels bad when you’ve lost 3-4 blitz in a row but consistently performing yourself ha 