Was testing the different tanks recently cause I wanted to start doing some tanking. Spending ONLY the free WoGs on myself from Shining Light you can just go OOM? Why does casting WoG on myself cost any mana at all?
I’m not the only Paladin that’s done this, I’ve had tanks have to drink in keys before, and even see Single Digit ranked Prot Pallies (like Yoda) have to drink.
There’s no reason for this. No other tank has to deal with this.
If you only use them during shake the heavens (or when you are going to die) you won’t oom.
Don’t know how much of an issue this really is but I’d say Prot Pally design as a whole is broken and unsustainable.
It’s the result of a spec hitting design walls and Blizz using workaround instead of rethinking the whole spec.
Sotr with charges, doesn’t work
Sotr with no charge, they are just spamming it.
Reduce HP Gen to reduce spam, remove HP from AS
Proceed to shift HP generation to judgement within wings.
People keeps spamming it, barely a dent in uptime.
Like…
And then it’s the only tank that can effectively heal others, some people start doing healerless runs so it gets nerfs so they can’t overly heal with WoG through adding mana cost.
It keeps getting patched into some kind of Frankenstein monster.
HP should be a damage ressource only for all paladins.
You should be able to heal but it should be in the same capacity as other hybrids.
If they want to reduce SotR spam, they can just introduce another spender that focus on damage instead of defensive power and let tanks manage when they can use one vs the other.
Prot doesn’t go oom if you play properly.
The thing is prot paladin in high keys needs to use wog when theyre not dying because its a requirement to get 100% block chance and survive big hits.
If your healer sucks, you still go oom because you need to heal yourself so much, either to keep healthier or to reach 100% block and not get one shot.
Top pally logs are around 30% uptime for faith in the light (talking 17/18 keys). That is around 3 wogs per minute which prot is easily able to do without going oom…
It’s not a prot thing, as a ret, even i go oom sometimes, esp overlaps and unavoidable dmg happening close to each other.
It’s gotten to a point where i log in and the 1st thing i do is go to a follower instance for free mana buns and get a lock stone from a warlock outside before applying for keys. I dun get to use them all the time but enough instances happen where having them is an absolute boon.
There was a point where prot was generating so much holy power they could cast WoG nonstop and do major support healing while tanking. The major mana cost was implemented to curb that somewhat.
I feel like there are a million ways blizzard could fix things though, so you could use it on yourself as intended while limiting how much you can spam it on allies
Go tank the trio dummies in town for as long as you can. You will probably go OOM before encountering damage that is actually lethal/life threatening.
It doesn’t really matter if it’s a scenario that doesn’t come up often. It is still a scenario that can come up and you can find logs of it occurring in real keys. Literally NO OTHER tank has to even consider the problem as they have no secondary limiting factors on their self healing.
This can be easily resolved by making self-healing refund some portion of the mana cost. Then their off-healing to the group is still limited, but they are able to hit their rotational buttons to generate healing/block chance/etc without consideration for a secondary limiting resource.
this is true btw guys
but prot mana flexability isnt something normal players are capable off rn.
How long should a tank be able to completely self-heal and self-sustain with zero healer input?
As a DH, as long as i don’t DC,
As a pally, well… Depend on my mana?
Grats, after 20 years you’ve finally realized tanks aren’t all homogenous and do things differently. Your accomplishment is as astounding as your comprehension.
Oh yeah. Haven’t tanked since SL as Protection Paladin. Being VERY helpful with off healing and other utility is fun. Explaining that you would have saved someone’s life with a cleanse, or a word of glory, or battle rezed them sooner, but you were out of mana is not fun. I get that mana management is a skill check of sorts, but if it doesn’t add to my fun I’m not going to see it as a helpful part of the game.
You don’t depend on your mana that’s complete nonsense and if you oom it’s because you are really over using wog. Like I said in an earlier post top keys are casting like 3 wog/min which doesn’t even touch your mana. Even the dude talking about oom on the tanking dummy is completely full of it. I can tank the tanking dummy on my prot pally until I get 1 shot. It’s not the mana killing me by any means.