When I run m+ and get a drop that is higher ilvl than my equipped slot, I cannot trade it to another party member.
Can someone explain to me how this makes any sense lol?
I asked when I saw this, and the answer was something like “they don’t want people pressuring or bullying anyone to give up their gear.”
I really, really hope that’s not why they did this.
If someone is “bullying me” (lmao) to trade away my gear, they are utterly powerless. They cannot reach into my bags and take it. If they are acting this way, they are probably a PUG, so I’ll never even see them again… like… please tell me that someone hypothetically trying to pressure me into trading gear when they are just a powerless mosquito isn’t why you removed my ability to trade my gear to party members when I want to…
It is my gear, and if I want to trade it, I will, and if I don’t, I won’t. Why do I care about what some dude in the chat says? He is just typing words…?
Surely I have been misled about the motivations behind this…
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I believe you have at least one of the big motivations correct.
I think the other is just to prevent less knowledgeable players from accidentally giving away gear they need, but it’s the same general idea.
Trading has been like this for quite a while; it’s not a new feature.
And yes, it’s bad.
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Thanks for the info brother.
I have been away from the game for many years indeed.
This is one of the more astounding headscratchers from Blizz lol. Prevent me from doing a basic function because someone might hypothetically type some words in a box (that don’t do anything) if I’m able to do it. Absolutely incredible. 
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I doubt there is any official information on this, but I suspect the reason is most likely a simple lack of resources spent to design a loot system for M+ separate from raid and this “feature” is a hold over from when raid used PL. The genesis of PL was to prevent players from being cheated out of upgrades from corrupt raid leadership. By disallowing trades of higher item level gear, players can honestly tell their raid leadership they couldn’t trade the item. It gave at least a small layer of protection to that player.
Since it can be more arduous to accomplish raid goals without a guild compared to M+, this created pressure for players to acquiesce to the loot demands of their raid leadership. Then since it takes the least effort to just copy the loot system, that’s exactly how it works in M+, despite there being much less pressure to hand over an item even if the game lets you since finding a new M+ key is simple.
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Probably several reasons.
This has bit me and other people in my groups several times in DF where someone actually wanted to trade something they were never going to use to someone else who could use it but couldn’t.
High key pushers/Mythic raid guilds paying players to come on runs with them just to trade them loot is prob a reason. Doesn’t effect 99.9% of players so IMO that’s a stupid reason. If it’s for new players, have it cut off at +10 or something and then let people do it.
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Maaan. I can reach into your bags and take a nap without you knowing. I’m that subtle.
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Just one of many reasons why PL was removed from raiding. It just needs removed from the game at this point
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I believe the initial reason was to limit split runs for the cutting edge guilds. They were no longer able to just carry half a raid of undergeared loot traders. Now that its no longer personal loot it doesn’t make much sense as they can’t just fill a raid with say plate wearers, because the group loot won’t be targeted at the players loot types any more.
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I mean, yeah, OK, I can see this being an issue, but wouldn’t the correct solution be more like not having other people see what personal loot dropped for you?
A few days ago we were in m a BRH 20. A pally got a BiS ring for the Warlock and the Warlock got a BiS ring for the Pally. They couldn’t trade each other because their 2nd ring was 467 instead of 470. lol. It’s stupid.
I’d say you’re on to something for sure.
My objection is that seeing what drops for everyone is useful, because it prompts people to ask for the item if they need it. I’m all for that interaction and cooperation.
But if we take your suggestion and make a small tweak by combining it with Blizzard’s weirdness, we get something pretty good: If it’s an ilvl upgrade, don’t announce the drop in the chat, but don’t impose any trade restrictions either.
That way, people can still trade the item freely, they can opt-in to offering it to the group in chat, but whatever concerns Blizzard ever had are also destroyed. No one can bug you about the item if no one knows you got it. By limiting that secret-drop to ilvl upgrade situations, we don’t lose the benefit we already have granted by seeing what dropped for who.
