Why play WW I have been playing it for a while now and its really a let down , I mean really learn the class and get the gear you need … ( This whole thing is about PVE) . Get to around ilvl 255 and get all the enchants everything 291 leggo. And then jump on my DH and mop the floor with dps ST and AOE with way less gear and really push like 4 buttons. And on DH you really dont have to pop meta or anything they just pump out the dps . So I said heck with it and put the monk in the closet and started playing my mage because I have no respect for a DH at all . Ok rant over back to mage .
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Are we talking PVE or PVP, because;
WW PVE is a king at AOE due to SCK stack management, xuen, images & generally modifiers. It can outpace a DH pretty well if you do it properly. It suffers in ST though.
If talking PVP then don’t play it because WW is awful.
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Because I have fun on windwalker and not dh?
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Because it’s fun. Seems fairly straightforward
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WW monk more fun
DH boring and unfun
Easiest answer.
That begs the question why would you bring a dh over an enh shaman. Less buttons and mops the floor with dh aoe.
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I need whatever you’re hitting rn
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As far as aoe goes, WW is way stronger. DH requires less setup, but can’t put out the burst WW can.
ST is obviously our weakness. That being said, our ST damage profile is very bursty, which is great for mechanics. While we won’t be too high on the meters on ST fights, we’re excellent at pushing phases and mechanics like dausenge’s and halondrus’ shields. WW ST burst is very strong, and while meters don’t easily reflect that, it’s actually pretty good in practice.
WW isn’t as strong as it was in 9.0, but we’re still fine and in a good place overall. Would love some ST buffs, even if it costs us an aoe nerf, but we’re still pretty dang decent.
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Um, nani???
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No no. He has a point. I wouldn’t say we’re awful, but it ain’t great. Or rather it doesn’t feel great.
As for the OP. Because I have enough self respect to not main dps DH. Believe me. I’ve played the oogabooga and it is no secret to anyone that plays WoW that Havoc is just WW with three pairs of training wheels.
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Says the guy that can’t make complete sentences…
But yea dude, you’re definitely smarter and way cooler because you push more buttons in a video game 
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i see you posting a lot about monks being king of aoe… i really wanna know what your smoking because we aren’t KING anymore, our single target is trash and our aoe isnt anything special at this point, other class’s are either doing the same amount of aoe or more aoe than we are. We arent kings of anything this season lol
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While I definitely agree we’re not the aoe kings anymore, it’s hard to say our AoE isn’t special. We still do have excellent aoe, especially in any context with adds that appear every minute or so. Like Xymox mythic, and m+.
It’s more fight dependent than ever. If soulrender was in sepulcher, you can bet we’d still be top on that fight (as we are Xymox).
We’re not just as on top as we were on fights like that. Of course the ST is still dog water, but we’re worth a raid slot.
dont get me wrong our aoe is fine, just other classes are just overall better when you put into account doing similar aoe damage (if not more on certain classes) and better single, it just doesnt give monks something special to look at especially in m+ keys.
Warlock aoe is crazy! Must be fun to have good tier.
WW is far from being the king of aoe in the current state of the game. Classes that currently do more AOE damage than WW include:
- Destruction Warlocks
- Survival Hunters
Classes that do the same AOE damage as WW:
- Fire Mages
- Frost Mages
- Fury Warriors
- Demonology warlocks
- Marksmanship Hunters
- Subtlety Rogues
- Havoc Demonhunters
Classes that do better ST damage than WW:
- Literally every DPS spec in the game
- Blood Death Knights
Windwalker has been in an abysmal state balance-wise for the entirety of BFA and the Shadowlands. What made WW so good in m+ last season was their unmatched AOE damage which the spec no long posses. The spec has done tank DPS single target for this entire expansion and yet blizzard has not made any meaningful positive change rectify this.
As someone that has been playing WW since first picking up wow in BFA and that loves playing windwalker more than anything else in the game, all i can say is that the state of the class makes it hard to even want to play 1) windwalker and 2) the game. There is honestly not much of a reason to play WW in its current state if your goal is to be brought to content because the class is good
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i coudlnt have said it better, thats excactly why i’m disappointed with ww. We have nothing special to offer when trying to join m+ groups now
Tbh I think we were in a great place during Nathria. If we could go back to that, we’d be golden. Things have been downhill since they “bug fixed” FoF clipping with clones (which was actually a fix they implemented previously, and was 100% intentional and not a bug). MoTC stacks lasting almost forever was nice too, especially for newer WWs.
Before that point WW was in a great spot. ST was actually decent (like 60th percentile decent anyway), and we excelled on fights like SLG, had great aoe in m+ etc.
we were still in a good spot on new patch, but once everyone got their 4 peice it started to show how ww monks are now falling behind in terms of single target. Aoe i dont mind being on par with everyone now as long as they fix our single target but at this point these 4 pieces is whats makeing monks look bad now. Our 4 piece is super under whelming to say the least. Beginning of patch i was still top aoe easily on m+ and single not so far behind. Now everyone with 4 pieces you can see a big difference. Honestly i dont care if our single wont be on par but damn its still way behind everyone else (as necro) if i go kyrian sure my single is better but aoe is just dumpster compared to other class’s now with 4 piece. Everyone does better overall and we fall behind either convenant we take kinda feels bad, my parses are in the purple and i have 2 99 parses compared to other class’s blue parses and they outshine my damage in raids lol its sad =-(
Well tbh our tier isn’t bad at all, it’s not crazy, but it’s good enough. You’ve got to take in mind that you’re parsing on normal. In the context of aoe fights, adds need to live long enough for WW to properly aoe. If even a quarter of your raid is anywhere close to your ilvl, that won’t be the case.
I’ve started to notice this more as the tier progressed. Most of my heroic parses are orange to pink, but they were mostly in the first few weeks. Adds just don’t live long enough to really pump as everyone is starting to vastly outgear the content. Xymox adds on heroic are dying within <15 seconds for example, where they used to last a full burst window.
Going up in difficult will ameliorate some of your aoe grievances. Using Xymox again, we’re back up to top dog on mythic.
As for ST damage, there’s no getting around the fact that it’s dog water. You really do have to go kyrian for those fights if you want to be anywhere but the bottom. The warlocks will be more than happy to summon you back if you want to switch I’m sure!
thats why i just stick to kyrian the entire raid no point to keep switching honestly, adds drop to fast either way to really bother with necro