I will give Blizzard some credit they did add PvP vendors and their new vault system is a drastic improvement over BFA. PvP participation is up for several reasons but each of these metrics will be gone in 1 month.
First PvE gearing is harder and Raid guilds wiped due to higher Raid difficulty.
So many guilds suggested that their Raid off gear in Arena to fill in weak slots. Which makes sense for any player to snag a ring, armor piece in other content to help their guild progression. After they get this item they won’t do Arena again.
Players already hit their goal rating or are close to it.
The majority of PvP players don’t do Arena but some did try it to get to 1400, 1600 or 1800 and now will sit that rating for the rest of the season. They have no interest in titles or pushing rating but just want to boost their gear item level in the PvP content they enjoy. Since you can conquest cap outside of Arena and they hit goal ratings. No reason to Que again.
Lack of Vendor itemization
Many specs BiS stats are Haste/Mastery or need to hit some levels of Crit/Haste/Mastery for their build to work in PvP. With barebone vendor options in 1 month they will have acquired all the gear needed from PvP and now will focus on M+ and Raiding to get the rest of their BiS PvP gear, also trinkets.
Broken specs
I put this in as the wild card as players are less likely to keep doing Arena if it is just completely unenjoyable for the masses. What I mean by masses is BG players and PvE players which make up most of the Arena Ques during high population seasons. These players will get done what they need then never Que again or quit early before even hitting their goal if broken specs keep ruining their chance of attaining their goals.
These things will leave LFG dead and Arena completely empty in 1 month. Just an FYI feel free to bookmark this thread just listing the obvious for everyone. Have a great day and Merry Christmas.
Really, let’s say hypothetically you’re right - now what? What are you wanting to convey in this?
As far as I can tell this just spreads negativity (none of which is justified) because so far, everything has been met: Honor/Conq vendor, templates are gone, pvp gear has incredibly higher value, and scaling is eradicated. Why would you not just…give credit to where credit is due?
Is there going to be something to find that might be negative? Obviously. But I just don’t understand why you’d want to put out arbitrary, hypothetical negativity.
People did Arena In BFA and legion when there was basically no gear reward due to it being very unreliable and the fact that you needed gear to get high rating in the first place.
There is always a “broken spec” in the eyes of the masses. It is true that there is legitimately problematic stuff this season but that’s nothing new.
PvP participation will decline, that is true. But that’s every season since the beginning of arena.
Well isn’t it obvious? If Arena is dead in 1 month that isn’t a good thing for people that love Arena. So it is important to go over the reasons why Arena will die in SL and make adjustments to prevent that from happening.
I literally did when I opened the thread and stated that first. However that doesn’t change the inevitable. Each of the metrics listed needs to be addressed before Arena is in fact dead.
Changes to Vendor gear like a PvP stat giving better stat options, Higher conquest cap earned, PvP sets etc. Can alleviate this oncoming problem.
I’m sorry but I can’t see any reason to do Arena in 1 month. It will be faster drop off than previous expansions due to the reasons listed. Arena isn’t even needed for Conquest with such a low cap and you can sit rating. Most PvP players don’t do Arena and you aren’t going to attract them into doing it or keep doing it the way it is. The PvE players that do Arena will be done in 1 month.
Our people’s champ taking blondie Megynkelley to school. If you are in the back row, just stop raising your hand and pick up what the Abomb is puttin down. Gonna have to leave this forum like you did NBC Megyn.
People complained about BFA Season 1 when really it wasn’t THAT bad. I thought it was pretty solid actually. Then Season 2, 3, and 4 came along and people realized they should have enjoyed the good old days of S1, when trinkets and corruptions weren’t nearly as oppressive.
I feel the same thing is going to happen this expansion. Honestly, right now I’m just happy there isn’t some trinket or corruption meta going on that makes it feel like a necessity to PVE in order to PVP.
I feel like people are definitely overreacting. Convoke is a little busted, but everything else feels fine. Sub rogues were absurd and they nerfed them. That’s good. MM was doing a little too much and they nerfed them. That’s good.
Ret damage really isn’t a problem, I’m sorry. Since the beginning of time people have known to pop defensives/kite/stun/trinket when a pally uses wings. This isn’t some novel ability implemented in SL. Same thing goes for WW and arms damage. Yes, it’s stupid they can just PVE you down for an entire match, but that’s nothing new. There’s always been dampener PVE rotation spamming classes in arenas.
What is your confusion? PvP players that don’t enjoy Arena will do some Arena with a goal to hit 1400 or 1600 then sit rating and go back to enjoying their other content. Then maybe add in some M+ as well to gear.
I am in a PvP guild and have helped people hit their 1400 and 1600 goals to upgrade gear and now they are done for the season. They can now just do BGs, WPvP and other content. Go over to the BG forums and you still have player refusing to even try Rated content to gear. The ones that did got their target rating and are done.
Most PvP players don’t care about rating or titles which is why they don’t do Arena and only try it for better Gear. Now this season the Conquest cap is extremely low (don’t need Arena to cap) Can sit rating to upgrade gear doing the content you enjoy, you don’t have to do Arena every week like previously. Also the vault makes gearing in PvE easier to target gear too.
Lets face it there are a lot of reason Arena will be dead soon if you aren’t pulling players from PvE or attracting the PvP player base to do any Arena in a month.
