Why are you nerfing frostbolt damage by 10% in pvp? At least put the 10% we are losing somewhere else like %5x2 in deep shatter but you never will.
50% nerf on ‘Piercing Cold’???
Are you serious? Incompetent.
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Icelance spam style gameplay is degenerate game design as there is less skill cap to just press icelance, than trying to get a cast off like frostbolt. They need to make frostbolt the primary damage source like it is in Wrath… Fire this class designer. Seriously.
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I’m glad they aren’t. Spamming [Frostbolt] in PvP is boring af and Frost doesn’t exactly have a high skill floor to dish out damage to begin with even though it’s my favorite of all 3 Mage specs. [Frostbolt] did more damage back in the day but so did buffed [Ice Lance], the difference is that procs were more scarce and we’re swimming in them right now.
If you want this to change at all, the spec needs a redesign to its core mechanics, which is actually a fair complaint.
Overall damage still sucks though. Buff us more.
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What do you want? Necro frost from SL? Just spamming frostbolt?
Our dmg should come from shatter combos.
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I just want less spells and them to not nerf things that do not need to be nerfed. Cata was the absolute worse expansion for frost PvP, literally all we did was setup and spam icelance. Frostbolt casting is the only way frost should be played and its not boring. Spamming ice lance is absolutely boring… Why even bring that up, when you know casting frostbolt takes more skill…
Frost use to have the highest skillcap in the game in wrath, next to rogue. We’ve been uttertrash for many expansions now. Glacial spike would be nice. Spamming the same instant over and over and over is utter trash.
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I guess if both options were viable, it would be cool. He’s 100% right that the current frostbolt damage is far from good enough in PvP.
Didn’t they create this awful talent tree to create a sense of spec diversity? Frost needs a spam cast build. There’s an entire path dedicated to it, but it’s just hot trash.
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I support the idea of having both alternatives - Frostbolt build for those who would want to play it and Ice Lance build for those who would want to play it. And to do that, they definitely need to buff Frostbolt in all game modes.
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They gave us damage multiplier talents, so they could take the damage right back from us.
We really only spam Ice Lance during Frozen Orb with Freezing Winds.
I know casting Frostbolt takes more skill, I want shattered frostbolts to do dmg but not to be our only source of reliable dmg.
We have talents like Ray of Frost and Comet Storm that can be shattered too. They should do more dmg. Glacial Spike is more or less on the same page.
Spamming big IL with FoF procs is needed because of melee when you cannot cast.
Edit: Remove Snowdrift and give Blizzard a MS effect . Blizzard is out of touch, they “buffed” Snowdrift but still it’s not enough for all the effort it takes to use. They refuse to give us Deep Freeze back.
doesnt matter frost mage will be F tier like it always is, unless destro is S tier it becomes destro support class
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There was a time where melee had a hard time reaching frost mages and it allowed mages to cast. Now everyone has 10,000 gap closers.
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Yup, I want those times to come back.
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Same
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Not only that, but you literally die in full pvp gear in a 3 second stun anyway.
I wish there was an explainer on the logic behind class design as it currently sits.
Frost used to be the CC/Kite spec and about getting off shatter combos. That was an identity that made sense, and fit the theme, and worked in PVP (Even if maybe too strong at times) .
The problem is in modern WoW pvp you cannot kite anyone. Slow/Freeze is borderline useless. So the “advantage” of Frost doesn’t really exist or do anything. Even full on Freeze, every major freeze spell is available across all specs. Frost Nova/Ice nova/Ring of Frost. Frost used to be the tankiest of the 3 by far, that’s also not true in modern WoW. So what is the identity of Frost?
With the talent trees as is there’s like 2 paths that could flesh out into something, one being instant cast procs spam, one being strong frostbolt casts. Except both kind of feel bad as is or are weak, meanwhile like a dozen talents relate to the mechanic of freeze or slow that has sort of lost it’s meaning in modern WoW.
The preference on damage would be to mechanically capture old Frost, something where if you get a true freeze, and actual cast+lance/bf proc into that, it’s considerably more of a combo than any one thing alone. That just isn’t really the case right now.
Kiting I think is just dead and I don’t know how you solve that issue for Frost without removing abilities across the game. You are better off changing what the Frost debuff does entirely. Unless you do some insane buff to what slowing can do like make it lower attack speed or cast times or something along those lines. I don’t know what to do there.
Just how it feels as is on PVP side for Frost as is.
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make it so roots dont DR 
Um so like then take that into all other class too and not just mage? Like ice lance spamming haven’t been the thing for several expansions. No one has been or ever will be threatened by ice lance since like forever.
Yes, everything you said I agree with 100%.