So fixes are coming to underperforming classes except for BM hunter. Why? With these upcoming changes, BM is going to be pretty much less than zero and it’s not right. BM right now hits like a wet noodle and it’s going to be worse after buffs to the other classes coming up. There are still bugs with the second pet when you use animal companion that you haven’t addressed. Every time coming out of an instance, you’re second pet bugs out and just sits there and you have to dismiss and call pet again or mount up to get it back again. Also when you’re attacking something and decide to pull away, sometimes you’re second pet will still keep attacking and it’s a pain not being able to get out of combat sooner. Pet rez is too long and should be lowered by at least 1 second. It doesn’t make sense that a big part of your offense is so easily killable and takes too long to get back when you’re surrounded by enemies. Please help BM out some, it’s not fun being bottom of the barrel.
I think I remember them saying in between patches they will be doing small tweaks here and there. Mostly because of people’s legendary and covenant choices. They didn’t want them having to keep changing specs or covenants based off every other week balance changes.
Which leads me to assume that big balance changes are at the end and/or start of big patches. I give myself hope that BM falls into this category of big balance changes. I’ll prepare myself to be let down though.
Survival says hello.
schadenfreude, is not a good look. I do not play Survival but I can want the spec I play to get the buffs it needs, without dragging unrelated specs into the discussion.
I do not want any spec to be at the bottom of a chasm, I want all specs to be playable and enjoyable.
I’m trying to hold on to hope. They did just buff the two bottom class / specs. I am hoping that it will get some love next round.
I want to quote something from another post.
"Let me just put on my tinfoil hat: I think blizzard wants to ignore BM due to it drawing attention to the pet AI.
Conspiracy theories can be fun, come on let me squeeze out any enjoyment I can out of BM.
"
Played BM at the start of BfA, where there was no corruption and overstacking in azerite traits and whatnot and had loads of fun.
Stopped playing since BfA was slacking imo. Started to play again at the end of BfA because shadowlands was near, or so i thought, BM was still loads of fun.
Shadowland pre-patches etc hit and BM was “meh” at best…
Shadowlands released and my pets got pooped on by 1-2 normal world mobs, had to pet mend on CD or turtle/play dead on CD because it was as if i was trying to keep a wet noodle straight.
Got told in the Forums its just iLvl and whatnot…Mythic dungeons open and im super lucky and almost all Slots are filled with Mythic dungeon gear and my pets are still wet noodles…people still say its just the iLvl.
20iLvl forward pets still wet noodles and i play MM now.
Happy story of not being able to enjoy the one spec i actually want to play. Lol
am iLve 215 and I can tell you, iLve has nothing to do with pet’s defensive, I have to mend my pet like a healer in raid trying to heal the MT.
Oh yeah i know.
I just thought i may add the nonsense people told me^^
Pets just somehow broke, in my opinion.
They went from “hey we’re your buddies and the core of your spec so we stronk”
to “hey we’re your buddies and the core of your spec and get 3 shot by normal mobs if you dont “waste” healing GCD’s on us”
I’m still playing BM in raid. I do alright but it is a bit of a let down doing less damage than other classes while I’m parsing better. I was content with being middle of the pack for the majority of bfa and they’re still kind of ok, not great… but for pugging and pushing keys I had to make the swap to mm for the limit pushing… kinda feels a bit bad and I’m not having as much fun as I’d hoped for. I hope we get some love for bm soon.
All the people begging for marksman to be good got their wish but there’s still two other specs crying out for attention and it’s rightfully deserved.
I tried twisting corridors twice and i was not able to kill last boss at 18 floors. And this cause my pet (clefthoof) died too fast…it was almost one shot killed. I even tried to spec into killer instinct I to focus mend pet on one pet instead of 2.
if you look at the recent dps chart on wowhead, even MM hunter is dropping in ranks, they should not make a DPS spec only class be in Middle - Low tier on average.
I always thought BM hunters were masochists?
Oh yes, the nerf bat. Again! Again! Blizz-sama, notice me!
It’s pretty obvious Blizz hates hunters. Why else would you gimp the class and then ignore them for a year?
Kill commands a joke
Wasn’t it at the second Blizzcon that one of the developers slipped up and said the Hunter class was a mistake?
It’s the only entirely unique class in the game. They can balance all the tanks together, all the healers, all the melee dps and all the caster dps… but Hunters are the only ranged physical damage class and the only class that uses bows/guns. So when it comes to “balancing”, we’re the last to receive attention because fewer are effected by mechanics that affect an entire group.
Hell, Hunters didn’t have talents for the few few weeks of the game. Blizzard didn’t think anyone would reach high enough level for talents that fast, so didn’t bother. We didn’t have trinkets that worked for us until TBC. Every trinket in the game was for melee or casters. Ammo was important early on, but they stopped giving us options or upgrades to our ammo while still requiring it, so we fell behind at the end of vanilla.
Of course, there are exceptions. BM Hunters were strong in BfA, but not overpowered. Why were they strong though? Because they didn’t gain as much borrowed power from Corruption as other classes, so did well against those that didn’t stack it. In extreme end game, however, where stacking corruption was king, BM was lacking once again.
Hunter is the best “mistake” they ever did !!!
BM was top of the meters all throughout bfa. It can’t just be the top spec all the time. This is MM time. Someone always has to be on the bottom but as long as u have one viable spec per class u good.
yes…
Remember last expansion? It seems that BM hunter only got better and better as the gear went higher. I was thinking it might be the same issue. We are so reliant on secondary stats and have awesome crits. Last expansion I had a real high crit/mastery and haste enough to keep three barbed shots stacked so the pet gets the bonus. This was on just normal gear too. I didn’t even raid. Now I think I have like a 20% crit and 35% mastery, and my barbshot buff falls off with like 3 seconds left on my next barb shot 
We did scale well with those secondary stats… BUT… their scaling was compounded even more by our incredible Azerite traits. DoD and PI were insane. Throw in some Rapid Reload for M+, and we were crazy. By 8.3, with all the Severe/Expedient stacks, OWtP, AND the Skitra bow, I could run close to 100% cirt, with huge haste. It was nothing to have BW and AotW come off CD before their duration ended in large M+ pulls… meaning instant refreshes of BW and AotW.
We’ve been nerfed 5%, AND we’ve lost those great traits. Even if we do scale well with secondaries again, we won’t see anything (scaling wise) like with saw in BFA due to not having those Azerite traits. I would take 1 of any of those three traits over any of the Legendary powers they’ve given us in SL.
That’s the problem is they didn’t do anything for the base class. They left it as is, when the only thing that were making us do good was borrowed powers. Then ontop of taking all that away, we got nerfed, got screwed out of any good legendarys. Feelsbad when our best legendary is a legendary all specs can use.