11/05/2018 11:28 AMPosted by HolylrCan anyone confirm the way Need button worked in vanilla?
Did it ask you for confirmation or it was like 1 misclick=looting?
There was no confirmation button. It rolled what you clicked
There was no confirmation button. It rolled what you clicked
11/05/2018 11:33 AMPosted by Kansaskidd11/05/2018 11:28 AMPosted by HolylrCan anyone confirm the way Need button worked in vanilla?
Did it ask you for confirmation or it was like 1 misclick=looting?
There was no confirmation button. It rolled what you clicked
So let's just add the confirmation, which will eliminate accidental looting and we are good to go. :) This is the best solution if we don't want loot sharing.
11/05/2018 11:26 AMPosted by XeldzheirAt least on 'reserved' runs, you can at least know beforehand that oh yea, I can't get that item in this run. With loot trading, well, who knows! Better waste your time in that run and lose the item to a couple guildmates!
If you are in a group with a couple guildmates who really want something chances are they will res is anyway instead of soiling their guilds name. People to this day kick people/leave guilds who do this stuff on pservers
11/05/2018 11:22 AMPosted by KonwayLoot trading has far more negatives than positives. It will destroy the community by incentivizing toxic behavior.
Yep, the only argument seems to be lessening the amount of tickets are submitted. What's wrong with a GM doing their job? I'd like to see some data on how many tickets are actually made because of this. I can honestly count the number of tickets i've made on one hand. It wasn't even worth the hassle for low level dungeons.
11/05/2018 11:39 AMPosted by Yorkshire11/05/2018 11:22 AMPosted by KonwayLoot trading has far more negatives than positives. It will destroy the community by incentivizing toxic behavior.
Yep, the only argument seems to be lessening the amount of tickets are submitted. What's wrong with a GM doing their job? I'd like to see some data on how many tickets are actually made because of this. I can honestly count the number of tickets i've made on one hand. It wasn't even worth the hassle for low level dungeons.
That is literally THE only argument for it tbh and it must be enough obviously that blizzard sees it as a major issue.
Btw great anecdote
This is wrong, and it's just more proof that you don't know what you're talking about.11/05/2018 11:33 AMPosted by Kansaskidd11/05/2018 11:28 AMPosted by HolylrCan anyone confirm the way Need button worked in vanilla?
Did it ask you for confirmation or it was like 1 misclick=looting?
There was no confirmation button. It rolled what you clicked
Video proof of confirmation button in 2006: https://youtu.be/AND-5oZBPc4?t=239
11/05/2018 11:44 AMPosted by KonwayThis is wrong, and it's just more proof that you don't know what you're talking about.11/05/2018 11:33 AMPosted by Kansaskidd...
There was no confirmation button. It rolled what you clicked
Video proof of confirmation button in 2006: https://youtu.be/AND-5oZBPc4?t=239
Ah I must have been thinking about BoEs and greens then. BTW this isn't related to what we were speaking about so I'm not sure where you would draw this conclusion.
11/05/2018 11:42 AMPosted by KansaskiddThat is literally THE only argument for it tbh and it must be enough obviously that blizzard sees it as a major issue.
Btw great anecdote
You had a nice little anecdote there about the hunter needing a helm in a BC -raid-, which is totally different from a low level vanilla dungeon where character progression matters, but it's a smaller group & people feel like getting away with screwing others over. I'd take loot fairness over a GM having a congested inbox :)
11/05/2018 11:49 AMPosted by Yorkshire11/05/2018 11:42 AMPosted by KansaskiddThat is literally THE only argument for it tbh and it must be enough obviously that blizzard sees it as a major issue.
Btw great anecdote
You had a nice little anecdote there about the hunter needing a helm in a BC -raid-, which is totally different from a low level vanilla dungeon where character progression matters, but it's a smaller group & people feel like getting away with screwing others over. I'd take loot fairness over a GM having a congested inbox :)
Guy said that something literally never happened. My anecdote proves that wrong because it did happen.
You just said "well I barely use it so how congested must it be?"
Do you understand the difference here?
11/05/2018 11:51 AMPosted by KansaskiddGuy said that something literally never happened. My anecdote proves that wrong because it did happen.
You just said "well I barely use it so how congested must it be?"
Do you understand the difference here?
Your anecdote didn't prove anything more than mine did. Anectodal evidence is just evidence, not proof. We both could have just made up stories.
11/05/2018 11:55 AMPosted by Yorkshire11/05/2018 11:51 AMPosted by KansaskiddGuy said that something literally never happened. My anecdote proves that wrong because it did happen.
You just said "well I barely use it so how congested must it be?"
Do you understand the difference here?
Your anecdote didn't prove anything more than mine did. Anectodal evidence is just evidence, not proof. We both could have just made up stories.
Not even close honey. Let me change some words in these arguments to help you out a little bit.
Guy #1: Anyone who says they eat of burger king is full of BS, no one ever eats at burger king
Guy #2: I eat at burger king all the time
-This proves his statement wrong-
Guy #2: Burger king is going to be flooded with customers every day they can't just leave their doors open all day.
Guy #3: How flooded can it be? I can count on one hand how many times I have been to burger king
Do you...do you really not see the difference?
11/05/2018 12:02 PMPosted by KansaskiddGuy #1: Anyone who says they eat of burger king is full of BS, no one ever eats at burger king
Guy #2: I eat at burger king all the time
-This proves his statement wrong-
Maybe the guy was being hyperbolic and just saying that Burger King doesn't get a lot of customers. Someone saying they eat there doesn't disprove it. This is a poor analogy because no one said GM's granting people items never happened. Similarly, just because you got your item from that hunter situation doesn't mean it happens all the time.
You guys claiming you never PUG'ed dungeons must have been in much more active and larger guilds than me in Vanilla.
Yeah we had guild runs, but we didn't always have the on-call perfect 3 dps, 1 tank, 1 healer availability that you all apparently did.
Yeah we had guild runs, but we didn't always have the on-call perfect 3 dps, 1 tank, 1 healer availability that you all apparently did.
11/05/2018 12:10 PMPosted by Yorkshire11/05/2018 12:02 PMPosted by KansaskiddGuy #1: Anyone who says they eat of burger king is full of BS, no one ever eats at burger king
Guy #2: I eat at burger king all the time
-This proves his statement wrong-
Maybe the guy was being hyperbolic and just saying that Burger King doesn't get a lot of customers. Someone saying they eat there doesn't disprove it. This is a poor analogy because no one said GM's granting people items never happened. Similarly, just because you got your item from that hunter situation doesn't mean it happens all the time.
11/05/2018 11:03 AMPosted by KonwayThis whole thing about GMs reassigning loot is complete BS.
Also, I never said that it will happen all the time, nor did I imply it, I just stated that it WILL happen.
11/05/2018 10:56 AMPosted by Yorkshire11/05/2018 10:49 AMPosted by Kansaskiddt was, just in another form. I use to do it all the time. Roll on the item, and if I got it, just make a ticket saying "Hey I didn't mean to roll on this and 'blah' won it can you give it to him?" and the next day it was in the mail.
I'm not saying this is something I LOVE that is being added, but this just creates less hassle for blizz because people will STILL ninja loot and use the ticket system and flood GMs with this stuff if it wasn't implemented.
I'm talking about low level dungeons where gear upgrades matter to your character progression but it's not a make-or-break drop that you won't see for maybe weeks or months.
You think people will go through the hassle of creating a ticket for that blue item in deadmines just to give it to their friend? I don't think so. The inconvience of having to wait for a GM to respond to your ticket should make acting like a greedy !@#$%^ less alluring.
When you click need it should have the consequence of binding it to you.
Maybe you should talk to your party, be sociable and likeable, make friends with them, that way they don't want to ninja your stuff.
I can actually see more good in this feature than bad, because even I have missclicked in the past.
I've also had people missclick on my gear. Now at least they'll have to give it to me, or be blacklisted.
It seems to me, everyone arguing against this is planning on playing the solo game, never talking, never making friends, etc. Well, I got news for you guys, you won't go very far with that attitude.
11/05/2018 08:53 AMPosted by MordegastI get that it wasn't in vanilla, but the likelihood of you ever pugging BWL onward is really small. Hell MC will be hard enough if they use gear progression, no 1.9 gear stats till 1.9.
Don't even consider pugging AQ or Naxx. These raids will for the vast majority be done in guilds, with DKP or loot council.
5 man's are run with friends and guildies. Remember community?
This is sort of what I was thinking. Though not specifically mentioned at Blizzcon, gear progression may very well follow along with the four stages which were announced. It makes sense that Blizzard would make the necessary adjustments so stage one isn’t a faceroll with 1.12