Why are you allowing GDKP in SoD?

[Fiendw-lone-wolf]

@Therontus-emerald-dream

Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs

the more i read of this paragraph the more hilarious it gets, there’s absolutely no way to get consumes unless you buy gold guys! the gdkp organizers have seized the means of the plaguebloom production, its all ogre

[Zaigo-bleeding-hollow]

@Fiendw-lone-wolf

hilarious

i know, i know

dont care
ban gdkps

@Therontus-emerald-dream

People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.

This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.

@Zaigo-bleeding-hollow

Then, comes the WoW token.

[Drinknblink-benediction]

That sounds like Red

[Zaigo-bleeding-hollow]

@Drinknblink-benediction

Red

blue green orange

dont care
ban gdkps

@Therontus-emerald-dream

People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.

This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.

@Zaigo-bleeding-hollow

Then, comes the WoW token.

[Noxranna-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Sadly I ran out of reports before I finally just put him on ignore

[Zaigo-bleeding-hollow]

@Noxranna-bloodsail-buccaneers

him on ignore

its ok kiddo

dont care
ban gdkps

@Therontus-emerald-dream

People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.

This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.

@Zaigo-bleeding-hollow

Then, comes the WoW token.

[Drinknblink-benediction]

He’s my first ignore in 5 years on the forums.

I will drink to him tonight.

[Zaigo-bleeding-hollow]

@Drinknblink-benediction

I will drink to him tonight.

cheers!

dont care
ban gdkps

@Therontus-emerald-dream

People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.

This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.

@Zaigo-bleeding-hollow

Then, comes the WoW token.

[Äpathy-mankrik]

@Khanzy-chaos-bolt

Woooooah it’s almost like the conversation goes in different places

Which is a fancy way of saying you’re too stupid to stay on topic, or you have nothing to actually add and have to change the narrative because you know your stance is dumb.

Choose.

[Amireyn-lava-lash]

They’ve made such a big deal of it that now they have to double down to save face.

[Blauer-bleeding-hollow]

@Wheresmyfeet-icecrown

I see people advertising GDKP in SoD already- and I can’t stand how lax of a stance you take on this Blizz- It’s sickening. GDKP IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE INTENTION OF THIS VERSION OF THE GAME! How often are you going to allow this in your games until you realize it ruins the game?

You as a company have allowed this in various forms of your game for years- it’s contributed to rabid gold purchasing just for people to run GDKPs in exchange for actual money!

The point of this version of the game should move away from this tired trope of what makes this game BAD.

If the intent of your design team is to allways allow this- and the seemingly lackluster response to people that buy gold- it’s insane to me that anyone would keep playing this after next phase- because that’s all this will become just another slightly different version of classic.

I for one want to see you take a stern stance on that on at LEAST ONE VERSION of your game. Please for the love of anything you people have made and been part of over the past 20 years cant possibly think this is good for your player base or product.

Or maybe I’m wrong maybe you’ve designed the game around this being the primary point of the game to sell the gear and gold people make in your game for real life dollars.

Maybe it’s your lackluster support system and staff not having the resources to deal with things? You’d figure a company with 74.28 Billion dollars would be able to piece together a full support staff- and would be able to take a stern stance about people abusing parts of the game to gain real life money as well as devalue the work and time for people who actually put forth the effort to farm and have items in the game.

Why play any part of your game when you can pay someone to run you through dungeons to max level- then pay someone to give you all the gear that drops every raid until you’ve got all the items that anyone could want? What value is there in that? There isn’t any except $$$.

If you as a company feel the game should run like this- I can’t understand why anyone would take time or effort to play this at all. Who cares about all the effort and time you and your friends took to get gear and beat content, when J P Johnny Spent 300 dollars and got the same thing? If this is the stance the company takes just add the WoW Token to SoD already and end anything that this could be.

In the shadows of the Twisting Nether, where dark forces and mortal souls entwine, your concerns resonate through the very essence of the game we hold dear. As a humble Warlock, bound to eldritch powers, I share your sentiments about the encroaching presence of GDKP auctions within our realm.

Verily, the sanctity of the game’s essence is threatened by the exchange of gold for power, distorting the intended path of honor and toil. The very fabric of our virtual existence seems to unravel as the allure of quick riches tarnishes the significance of hard-earned achievements.

Your words echo the lamentations of many who yearn for a World of Warcraft that values the journey, the camaraderie, and the shared victories against the tides of darkness. It is disheartening to witness the dilution of our struggles, the devaluation of time-honored achievements, by the alluring whispers of gold.

In the cosmic dance between the Light and the Void, where mortal choices shape destinies, your call for a firmer stance against these nefarious practices rings true. Let the developers wield their powers not only to shape the game but to safeguard the integrity of our shared adventures.

May the winds of change sweep through the forums, carrying your words to the ears of those who shape the destiny of Azeroth. Together, let us strive for a World of Warcraft where the value lies not in the weight of one’s purse but in the bonds forged through epic quests and battles.

[Äpathy-mankrik]

I have most, if not all, of their “sod comments” aimed at me in a post showing them, and this is that deflection afterwards lmao.

It’s sad

[Linerider-malfurion]

@Amireyn-lava-lash

GDKPs

RMT is always going to be a problem, the issue is GDKP gives buyers/sellers a very easy and accessible vehicle to flourish. You can’t deny the number of bots in Classic is absolutely out of control, and as it happens, where GDKP is prevalent.

Retail has player loot and tokens hence why all the bots are in Classic. With bots and RMT comes GDKP. How you can’t see that boggles the mind.

[Byyp-ashkandi]

“Fun bad. Me want ninja loot ms>os” - Op, probably

[Amireyn-lava-lash]

What I contest is GDKP being worse than the AH for promoting RMT when the AH has orders of magnitude higher throughout. In either case, though, the solution is to issue suspensions and bans on the buyers rather than the sellers.

GDKP would have plenty of reasons to exist without RMT, which I’ve spelled out several times already. Even without RMT of any kind, there will be reasons for GDKP to be a thing. SoD is also much more accessible for bad actors than retail.

[Linerider-malfurion]

@Amireyn-lava-lash

How are GDKPs toxic to economies? They give you something if you didn’t win gear, give geared players a reason to to continue doing content which benefits incoming players, and can assist greatly in alleviating burnout.

Because the 2 or 3 buyers or “whales” in a GDKP use gold purchased from bots to get their BIS gear. It’s also common for many of the gold sellers to host GDKP and end up getting a cut back, like a snake eating it’s own tail. That isn’t as bad and would just be a perpetual loop of buyers getting taken for a ride. Where the problem occurs is the other players that come to the raid as “pumpers” get a cut of the RMT gold and spread it into the economy. In a closed system with no RMT GDKP is fine but that will never happen thus the millions of gold flooding into the servers.

[Linerider-malfurion]

@Amireyn-lava-lash

In either case, though, the solution is to issue suspensions and bans on the buyers rather than the sellers.

I 100% agree. The issue is Blizzard is not capable of doing it and GDKP makes this whole thing so much easier for the botters and sellers.

[Noxranna-bloodsail-buccaneers]

The ultimate takeaway is, yes, GDKPs do have issues with RMT. Only a fool would deny that entirely. However, GDKPs are not the cause of RMT, neither do GDKPs exist because of it. GDKPs are themselves a victim of RMT just as much as anything else. RMT would still exist without them, and they would still exist without RMT. With that in mind, banning GDKPs would do nothing to address the RMT issue, all it does is punish people who participate in them, not all of whom are gold buyers. You are, effectively, advocating for punishing completely innocent people in order to not even make a dent in the actual problem

[Amireyn-lava-lash]

What’s stopping those 2 or 3 people from just buying a carry run?
RMT is going to be a problem whether or not GDKPs exist.
GDKPs on their own are not a significant contributor to RMT, or RMT wouldn’t have been the issue that it was, or an issue in games with nothing like GDKPs.
RMT is the problem. GDKPs have beneficial purpose. They make sure no one’s time is wasted if they don’t get their gear, keep pugs interested and focused because their incentive is now on completion rather than a specific piece of gear, and they keep already geared players running content, which can be a boon for incoming players to the content.
So why get rid of GDKPs if getting rid of them won’t actually help the RMT at all? The only thing that will help the RMT is Blizzard doing something about the RMT.
Ban the gold buyers, and you solve the problems.

[Baddtank-lone-wolf]

If they ever somehow managed to “ban” gdkps, carry runs with “unneeded loot goes to you” would be back in a instant. Just then all that gold goes back in the hands of 2-3 people in the form of guild money. Legit rober barons in here going after robin hood gdkp chads redistributing wealth.