mmo economies are not real economies, the longer your flavour of mmo exists, the more completely borked its economy becomes no matter what happens. Every single mmo economy is in ruins compared to its early days because gold comes in and never goes out, regardless if gdkp exists or not
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Amireyn:
outright liar.
ignorance to your rmt laundering is worse, even if this was true
dont care
Therontus:
People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.
Therontus:
The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.
This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.
Acknowledging this means those who refuse to see past their own nose can’t have an easy scapegoat to point at while ignoring reality or the actual problems.
I don’t see how you can’t see that both can be true. GDKPs are toxic to economies and gold inflates on its own regardless.
You don’t need to “launder” gold. There is no WoW tax entity that’s going to start asking pointed questions about your assets relative to your income.
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you do need to launder rmt gold. thats the essence of laundering
dont care
Therontus:
People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.
Therontus:
The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.
This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.
This has been the funniest thing to me people who actually think you need to somehow clean your gold…
If a GM wanted to they can literally see where you first got your gold it’s not like you can hide it
How are GDKPs toxic to economies? They give you something if you didn’t win gear, give geared players a reason to to continue doing content which benefits incoming players, and can assist greatly in alleviating burnout.
I would like to know what “rmt laundering” even means in this context, its like a word used out of place to somehow make gdkp sound more i guess criminal?
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You really don’t, no. BLizzard could or at least should be able to track gold buyers already. There is no purpose to “laundering” gold because gold does not work the way real world currency does. If Blizzard has detected someone buying gold, that’s it, the end. It’s not a case of, “But actually I got it from-” if you suddenly get a massive influx of gold from a player you’ve had otherwise no interaction with.
Amireyn:
really
love defending rmt, i know
dont care
Therontus:
People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.
Therontus:
The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.
This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.
“RMT should be more harshly enforced.”
In real money laundering the money is at some point in the process, returned to the criminal, he buys a house with the proceeds of crime and sells the house and then the money he has is from the proceeds of selling his house…
So, rmts are buying a gressil and uhh selling the gressil? ummm are u sure this isn’t just some random guy buying wow items with his pocket change and laundering is just a cool word that u heard someone else use?
Blizzard can literally pull up logs to when you first got your bought gold.
There is only 4 ways I believe you can receive gold.
Auction house.
Blizzard can literally track all of those methods easily, you can’t hide or clean your gold in any way.
I don’t, actually. I’ve never done a GDKP and don’t really have any interest in doing so, not least of which because my guild clears BFD on lockout.