Why are you allowing GDKP in SoD?

[Therontus-emerald-dream]

Bots create the gold. The people buy the gold. The people use the gold in GDKPS because there’s almost no where to spend it at the start of the chain. Then non gold buyers get the bought gold from the GDKP. The non gold buyers use their gold to buy consumes to point where the price increases because all the cheap stuff has been bought out. Unsuspecting people are forced to pay higher prices at the last minute. In time the prices get out of control. It’s far easier to run a GDKP and get a several thousand gold payout then go out and farm the peacebloom. More people start running GDKPs for host cuts. More people join them. More people find it easier to RMT and buy their item of choice on the first time it drops. Soon enough, GDKP is the main way people play the game because it benefits casuals looking to easily pay for expensive consumes and RMTers that want to get their item in one shot.

[Drinknblink-benediction]

There’s a few sites like this.

https://wowpricehub.com/us-classic/atiesh-alliance/item/Potion%20of%20Speed-40211#value-heat-map

I’m on my phone at work so it’s terrible reading it on the phone.

Take a look.

[Zaigo-bleeding-hollow]

@Drinknblink-benediction

There’s a few sites

that sell gold. i know

dont care
ban gdkps

@Therontus-emerald-dream

People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.

This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.

@Zaigo-bleeding-hollow

Then, comes the WoW token.

[Amireyn-lava-lash]

You’re saying that RMT didn’t cause problems before GDKPs. You’re saying that RMT isn’t a problem in games that don’t have anything like GDKPs. This makes you an outright liar.

[Fiendw-lone-wolf]

mmo economies are not real economies, the longer your flavour of mmo exists, the more completely borked its economy becomes no matter what happens. Every single mmo economy is in ruins compared to its early days because gold comes in and never goes out, regardless if gdkp exists or not

[Zaigo-bleeding-hollow]

@Amireyn-lava-lash

outright liar.

ignorance to your rmt laundering is worse, even if this was true

dont care
ban gdkps

@Therontus-emerald-dream

People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.

This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.

@Zaigo-bleeding-hollow

Then, comes the WoW token.

[Amireyn-lava-lash]

Acknowledging this means those who refuse to see past their own nose can’t have an easy scapegoat to point at while ignoring reality or the actual problems.

[Therontus-emerald-dream]

I don’t see how you can’t see that both can be true. GDKPs are toxic to economies and gold inflates on its own regardless.

[Amireyn-lava-lash]

You don’t need to “launder” gold. There is no WoW tax entity that’s going to start asking pointed questions about your assets relative to your income.

[Zaigo-bleeding-hollow]

@Amireyn-lava-lash

You don’t need to “launder” gold.

you do need to launder rmt gold. thats the essence of laundering

dont care
ban gdkps

@Therontus-emerald-dream

People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.

This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.

@Zaigo-bleeding-hollow

Then, comes the WoW token.

[Drinknblink-benediction]

This has been the funniest thing to me people who actually think you need to somehow clean your gold…

If a GM wanted to they can literally see where you first got your gold it’s not like you can hide it

[Zaigo-bleeding-hollow]

@Drinknblink-benediction

This has been the funniest

thread of my lifetime

dont care
ban gdkps

@Therontus-emerald-dream

People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.

This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.

@Zaigo-bleeding-hollow

Then, comes the WoW token.

[Amireyn-lava-lash]

How are GDKPs toxic to economies? They give you something if you didn’t win gear, give geared players a reason to to continue doing content which benefits incoming players, and can assist greatly in alleviating burnout.

[Fiendw-lone-wolf]

I would like to know what “rmt laundering” even means in this context, its like a word used out of place to somehow make gdkp sound more i guess criminal?

[Zaigo-bleeding-hollow]

@Fiendw-lone-wolf

I would like to know

use brain

dont care
ban gdkps

@Therontus-emerald-dream

People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.

This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.

@Zaigo-bleeding-hollow

Then, comes the WoW token.

[Amireyn-lava-lash]

You really don’t, no. BLizzard could or at least should be able to track gold buyers already. There is no purpose to “laundering” gold because gold does not work the way real world currency does. If Blizzard has detected someone buying gold, that’s it, the end. It’s not a case of, “But actually I got it from-” if you suddenly get a massive influx of gold from a player you’ve had otherwise no interaction with.

[Zaigo-bleeding-hollow]

@Amireyn-lava-lash

really

love defending rmt, i know

dont care
ban gdkps.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.

This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.

@Zaigo-bleeding-hollow

Then, comes the WoW token.

[Amireyn-lava-lash]

“RMT should be more harshly enforced.”
“YOU’RE DEFENDING RMT”
You do not live in reality.

[Zaigo-bleeding-hollow]

@Amireyn-lava-lash

do not

while you join a gdkp

dont care
ban gdkps

@Therontus-emerald-dream

People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.

This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.

@Zaigo-bleeding-hollow

Then, comes the WoW token.

[Fiendw-lone-wolf]

In real money laundering the money is at some point in the process, returned to the criminal, he buys a house with the proceeds of crime and sells the house and then the money he has is from the proceeds of selling his house…

So, rmts are buying a gressil and uhh selling the gressil? ummm are u sure this isn’t just some random guy buying wow items with his pocket change and laundering is just a cool word that u heard someone else use?