Why are you allowing GDKP in SoD?

[Noxranna-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Alright, to the block list then…

Also, I don’t think you know what irony is

[Zaigo-bleeding-hollow]

@Noxranna-bloodsail-buccaneers

irony is

my shock

dont care
ban gdkps

@Therontus-emerald-dream

People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.

This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.

@Zaigo-bleeding-hollow

Then, comes the WoW token.

[Amireyn-lava-lash]

The screwed economy would exist without GDKPs. That’s what you refuse to even consider.

The screwed economy exists because of RMT. RMT can, has, and will exist without GDKPs. RMT will always exist. The negative effects of RMT, including those caused by a potential feedback loop involving GDKPs, is solved by actually enforcing existing RMT rules.

Banning GDKPs would do -absolutely nothing- to mitigate economic problems caused by RMT, but would cause problems for players because GDKPs serve a functional purpose. GDKPs can continue to serve that purpose without causing any harm to the economy, because the harm to the economy is created by RMT.

Given that RMT existed in WoW prior to GDKPs taking off, that RMT exists in games with no analogue to GDKPs, that RMT exists in every MMO, what makes you think that banning GDKPs is the solution? It just flat-out does not make any sense.

[Zaigo-bleeding-hollow]

@Amireyn-lava-lash

what makes you think

my brain

dont care
ban gdkps

@Therontus-emerald-dream

People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.

This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.

@Zaigo-bleeding-hollow

Then, comes the WoW token.

[Fiendw-lone-wolf]

@Therontus-emerald-dream

They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers

I wish I was around when this was originally posted, its really a post made with absolutely 0 understanding of how big wow servers are now and the effect “buying out” the auction house would have. There is a reason why people with millions of gold don’t buy out the auction house and that reason is, they can’t and even if they could, they’d lose gold on it.

[Zaigo-bleeding-hollow]

@Fiendw-lone-wolf

There is a reason

people love rmt laundering through gdkps

dont care
ban gdkps

@Therontus-emerald-dream

People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.

This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.

@Zaigo-bleeding-hollow

Then, comes the WoW token.

[Drinknblink-benediction]

Yea that’s why the AH prices for consumes really never go up on my WOTLK server,they talk about inflation and I just dont see it

[Therontus-emerald-dream]

On big wow servers. You said those words yourself. You have no understanding of era. People do it here for fun, not for profit. They’ll reset the market cause they can. People post things for higher pricers just cause they can. They don’t care if people actually buy them or not. Era is not a big wow server.

[Ashenhorn-crusader-strike]

Not. To. The. Same. Extent.

The. Extent. Is. The. Issue. And. The. Easiest. Thing. To. Reduce.

(And also the only realistic option)

[Drinknblink-benediction]

Removing an entire loot method doesn’t seem realistic at all

[Zaigo-bleeding-hollow]

@Drinknblink-benediction

they talk about inflation

the cope is funny

dont care
ban gdkps

@Therontus-emerald-dream

People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.

This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.

@Zaigo-bleeding-hollow

Then, comes the WoW token.

[Amireyn-lava-lash]

Yes, to the same extent, as amply evidenced by RMT crashing server economies without the influence of GDKPs. Or games that don’t have anything remotely resembling GDKPs.
Your assertions flatly do line up with observable reality. All you would accomplish by banning GDKPs is drying out content faster. That’s it.
People will still want to buy gold, just as they did before. The only realistic option is to suspend or ban gold buyers upon detection.

[Zaigo-bleeding-hollow]

@Drinknblink-benediction

Removing an entire

rmt laundering method

dont care
ban gdkps

@Therontus-emerald-dream

People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.

This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.

@Zaigo-bleeding-hollow

Then, comes the WoW token.

[Baddtank-lone-wolf]

Gdkp status: Chads and Chadettes, driving lambos and banging male models. Never banned.

Anti gdkp status: “Nurse I need 500ccs of medical grade copium stat”.

[Fiendw-lone-wolf]

So they’ve…increased the price of items, but no one is buying them and they are just going to lose on them, so they didn’t increase the price of items at all, if i buy a bottle of pepsi and resell it at my lemonade stand for $5000, is the price of pepsi now $5000?

[Hazerd-azjolnerub (Hazerd)]

cant imagine paying gold for level 25 items, maybe if it was like DFT from BWL or something though

[Therontus-emerald-dream]

No, people buy them because they don’t have a choice. They’re about to go to raid and they’re underprepared for it. But they have a mountain of GDKP gold and they’re about to make another mountain of GDKP gold in that naxx gdkp. So they just pay the inflated fake price cause they don’t have another choice.

[Zaigo-bleeding-hollow]

@Amireyn-lava-lash

All you would accomplish by banning GDKPs

is seeing the rmt launderers qq into oblivion

dont care
ban gdkps

@Therontus-emerald-dream

People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.

This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.

@Zaigo-bleeding-hollow

Then, comes the WoW token.

[Amireyn-lava-lash]

That’s a ridiculous assertion when chats and groups exist. It isn’t difficult at all to offer to pay someone for consumeables at a much more reasonable price that’s still worth their while.

[Zaigo-bleeding-hollow]

@Baddtank-lone-wolf

Gdkp status

on lockout

dont care
ban gdkps

@Therontus-emerald-dream

People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.

@Therontus-emerald-dream

The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.

This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.

@Zaigo-bleeding-hollow

Then, comes the WoW token.