Drinknblink:
Ah ok im wrong?
u are absolutely right.
all the outrage is hilarious because these are actually VERY good prices, even by 2007 standards. ppl need 2 go read wowhead comments or do brief internet searches, they will be enlightened. GDKP does nothing but affect BiS gear, and even then, a botted economy would negate it.
if you got rid of bots, if you got rid of gdkp, you would be shocked by how expensive things would get. taking money out of the economy and redistributing it to the wealthiest players actually helps u as a noob with no impulse control
Garbagecan:
VERY good prices,
tell me you buy gold without telling me
dont care
Therontus:
People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.
Therontus:
The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.
This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.
Zaigo:
dont care
sniff sniff
i smell poverty chasing dopamine
And the combo of RMT and GDKP being the dominant form of Raid Pugging means players have little reason to look for and join Guilds which I feel is bad for the health of the game. It’s a vicious circle.
There’s no easy solution though. We all a want a player driven economy but as long as Blizz can’t/won’t stop Bots and RMT we get inflation which pushes players to need more and more Gold to afford consumables for end game which then pushes those players to host GDKP runs to pay for it all.
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no loot trading in raid
dont care
Therontus:
People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.
Therontus:
The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.
This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.
I said easy solutions. None of those are easy.
Unless they completely change how loot works in Classic they can’t remove trading of gear or Gold. They’d need to go with no trade, Personal Loot which comes with it’s own issues and without these changes you can’t ban GDKP’s fully.
They do ban Bots but it’s a war Blizz can never win which is why we have the WOW Token in Retail.
Graystone:
easy solutions
perma ban anyone doing a gdkp
dont care
Therontus:
People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.
Therontus:
The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.
This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.
If they run them via things outside of the game like external Discords it’s almost impossible to police though.
The only thing that could help would be eliminating direct trading of Gold or mailing Gold unless to a toon on your own Account. Make the AH the only way to have Gold move from Player to Player.
Graystone:
almost impossible
small indie company. i know
dont care
Therontus:
People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.
Therontus:
The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.
This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.
Well actually no, the thing is the main way your supposed to play is with a constant base of players, with the idea of the same core team eventually getting their BIS. The problem with pugging is there is that the majority of the time, someone who wants to enter a PUG will need certain loot if not all loot.
Playing consistently with random players in your raiding experience will always cause a maximum amounts of competition for loot, which is just as bad slamming your head against the wall.
Once again the current Pugging META, without GDKP’s creates ZERO reason for any BIS raider to join these groups, which is a much needed thing for PUGS. The variability of player skill and involvement, having carries have incentive to join is REALLY GOOD.
The solution is to create harder content which pushes guilds and teams to form. Just like how Nax 40 was, yes ofc their were some GDKP pugs, but for the most part, the player base was forced to enter guilds and progress with guilds.
If the content is too easy, then it increases the player base doing pugs, and then the problems which i have explained start to show more.
GDKPers BTFO.
bahahahahhahah
yeah but…ugggh i knowww im just not going to go into a gdkp
gdkpers are coping so hard with this narrative right now. BRILLIANT.
Vishfeast:
Once again the current Pugging META, without GDKP’s creates ZERO reason for any BIS raider to join these groups, which is a much needed thing for PUGS. The variability of player skill and involvement, having carries have incentive to join is REALLY GOOD.
The solution is to create harder content which pushes guilds and teams to form. Just like how Nax 40 was, yes ofc their were some GDKP pugs, but for the most part, the player base was forced to enter guilds and progress with guilds.
How does that help? As you said Classic was filled with GDKP Naxx runs. Harder content means MORE paid carries not less.
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In 2020 when Naxx 40 was released on classic, A BIG MAJORITY OF raiders that was doing Naxx 40, was not doing GDKP’s. Having a raid that requires progression and a higher difficulty, makes pugging way less feasible to a majority of the population, because risking a raid lockout without clearing or trying to clear a majority of the bosses, makes pugging less viable.
On classic era now, yes GDKP’s are everything because alot of people are full BIS and they just wanna pump, meanwhile they get gold for their efforts.
IF BFD stayed in the pre-nerf state, the same thing would have happened. People would have been forced to create solid teams for progression and loot distribution.
Vishfeast:
In 2020
gdkps were your main source of income
dont care
Therontus:
People buy gold, they pay a crap ton of gold for whatever they want. The gold gets spread between the people in the raid. The people in the raid that didn’t buy gold just got a stupid amount of gold. At least a handful of these people use this ill-gotten gold to buy consumes or whatever else, sometimes they buy everything out. People repost things for stupid high prices. People with the GDKP gold don’t really care how much they have to pay for whatever they’re buying from the AH, because they have so much, so they pay whatever the price is for whatever they need. The prices skyrocket because for everything from BoEs to consumes because of this. Now the only way to afford consumes is to either buy gold or go to GDKPs and hope a big “buyer” comes in and pays a stupid amount for an item so they can afford consumes for whatever else they’re doing. Eventually, after this has gone on long enough, the primary way to make gold to afford things is to either cheat or to go to GDKPs or run them yourself. After this goes on long enough, the primary raid you said being run in general is a GDKP. Now all you have is GDKPs and a select amount of LC and SR runs that can’t get going because all the people that are actually trying are only doing GDKPs because they need to use their lockouts to afford consumes.
Therontus:
The bots create literally millions of gold that wasn’t in the economy. The gold buyers buy that gold, they use that gold to buy stuff in GDKPs for stupid amounts. That gold gets spread to non-gold buyers. They buy out the auction house. They repost for higher pricers. Other gdkpers no longer care about the price of items. They pay whatever they have to. People keep posting for high prices because it sells. Everyone has to find someway to afford their consumes so they also do GDKPs.
This is reality. This is what happened. I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that’s how this works.
I’ve been doing this. You’re not getting hundreds of gold this way.
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these gdkpers are getting $!@$^#$@!
so gold
I always find it funny how people think that banning GDKPs would be such a monumental task.
Literally if you start perma banning people, the GDKPs will VANISH.
where did all the gdkp shills go?
oh right, raid reset was today. lol
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