Defense was nerfed actually in Patch 1.7. ZG had just come out so Defense was a lot more readily available and the value of Defense was still pretty exceptional (plus people demanded you stack it to the extreme, even past 440) for Warriors so with so many more items available, they nerfed the values.
Some of these also reflect the itemization changes in Patch 1.10 where they didn’t actually change stats, they just changed who dropped the item to make the good loot spread out a bit more and make uncommonly killed bosses more desirable. There’s a reason the Arena bosses got nice boosts in 1.10.
You just lie and lie and lie. Maybe you hope people don’t actually click the things you link and see that the items you used as examples were buffed by 100%. It’d be humorous if it wasn’t so sad. Extra points for simply glossing over the fact that you were arguing that all this happened in 1.1 when in fact many of the items were buffed in stages, the ones at 1.4 like your latest link still wasn’t 1.1 like you claimed earlier with most of the power coming in 1.10, which is still earlier than 1.12 but much later than your claim of 1.1.
Your claims that everyone was “clicking abilities, keyboard turning, or just AFK” just completely destroyed by a video. Instead of admitting you overplayed your hand, you just lie and lie and lie some more. But there are two linked videos embedded into the thread from both PvP and PvE completely demolishing your unfounded claims so really no reason to belabor the point of how you continue to misinterpret and misrepresent historical facts.
Anyway, that’s already more time than you deserve. Just calling out your lies since it can’t possibly shrugged off as a simple mistake any more. I don’t even care to discuss this topic with you anymore because it’s clear you have no idea what you are talking about and simply throwing everything at a wall hoping something will stick.
The posts weren’t about them being buffed, it was about them EXISTING AT ALL. The spell power gains from Patch 1.1 to Patch 1.4 account for <12% DPS increase for an ideally built Frost Mage, before buffs.
Just making things up now? M’kay…
Your argument against this idea was that we had a single PoV of a single Rogue in a video on Ragnaros performing terribly. Your response? An idle Warrior who keyboard turned against a hard hitting add who ran no raid frame and we STILL COULD SEE FLAGRANT SCREW UPS.
I even gave time stamps. Geez you’re bad at lying even…
The number of dead throughout this video is great, but the PoV Warlock can’t even refresh his instant DoTs on Heigan during the fast-dance because he doesn’t have his mouse free and he’s slow at avoiding the explosion. (He dies around 2:20, gets battle rez’d around 3:20, after which he Soulstones himself haha)
I farmed BRD a lot and can say that in my experience they aren’t that capable of run w/o a shield if the are in similar level. Sure, a lv58 tank will be ok vs lv 50-53 mobs w/o the shield, but many lv54ish try it and died quickly.
As a healer, I can absolutely say healing unshielded tanks is not ‘easy’. Had an SM run with a druid tank and three warrior dps (of course), and when the two hander or dual wielding warriors pulled agro, my mana was getting quickly drained by how much damage the DPS warriors would take.
Basically, if a warrior is VERY well geared and above average level for an instance, then yes, no problem. If they are not well geared and equal or lower level than the instance, it’s a huge pain.
Video games were less mainstream back then, so the barrier for entry was higher. With a higher barrier of entry comes a more inspired player base. The # of players were lower, but the quality was higher. Now that video games are becoming cool, there is a much higher quantity of noobs, normies and children than before.
It’s an interesting phenomenon that younger generations think they are constantly getting smarter and better while they are in fact getting dumber and worse. Kids today can’t even type basic words without spellcheck, our founding fathers wrote the most perfect document ever created in ink-dipped feather pens. Oh, and they didn’t have the internet.
That’s exactly the situation. It took a few years for wow’s reputation to get to a point where everyday people could play it without stigma. All one has to do is look back at the memes and listen to comedians and pop culture contemporary to the game’s release and first few years to see how the general public regarded video gaming in general and wow players specifically.
There’s a whole lot more to say but nothing that hasn’t already been said by me and others who were in our 30s when wow launched.
This wouldn’t really impact the ability of a Warrior to Tank without a Shield, especially since that was a common method to hold threat once early raids shipped out. Physical DPS gear in particular also got next to no changes, and that was especially true for the 30-50 stuff. Things like Thrash Blade were also nerfed well before 1.12.
Folks just aren’t jumping into instances to only do the first half the moment they get some quests for the place. You can get Gnomer quests as early as lvl20, but a full clear requires you to face off against a final boss that is lvl34. That people restrict themselves (and screen their groups) based upon end-boss level rather than quest level alone accounts for much of the ease while progressing through dungeons.
It is also why Deadmines continues to be the nastiest dungeon as VanCleef is sorely underestimated for the level people often attempt him with, notably Tanks. Coupled with the fact that core class abilities are still many levels away… yeah.
During the course of Vanilla a lot of broken classes were fixed, talents were fixed, and itemization vastly improved, including for the levelling process. By 1.12 everyone had become optimised… a bit too optimised in some sense. Everyone does more DPS, particularly casters; heals do more healing and regen mana better, and tanks take less damage.
Also theorycrafting has come a long way, levelling specs / rotations / even levelling BiS lists simply weren’t as available then, thus people chose the safe way early on and that stuck to the end of Vanilla for your average PuG. (Though even then groups of friends / guildies were doing fast clears, often not even with a proper “tank”; having an actual warrior was a luxury).
Behold! Curse’s PoV Mage rocking full T2 and spamming Frostbolt throughout the entirety of Naxx!
Folks dramatically overvalued that 8pc bonus back then and for some reason Fire was frowned upon. I don’t get why but the volume of Frost Mages in his videos just makes me sad.
What are you talking about? In what way, specifically, does Classic not process Crushing Blows “correctly”?
Yeah, they understood them as:
Red = Over my level but probably can do with a group
Yellow = Right at my level
Green = Below my level, should be easy
I selected Gnomer as an example because people in the low 20’s, even in Classic, still try to get into groups for the place because they have several Green/Yellow quests for the place already. Like I said, folks now spend more time considering end-boss requirements for a full clear and outside of select places like UBRS and BRD, people don’t jump in to do half-clear runs.
Look at the rest of his posts. He believes players didn’t bother with keybinds despite providing his own video of them using keybinds. He’s banging on a warrior for not running raid frames and perhaps keyboard turning despite the fraps counter clearly showing the game running at 11fps.
In an earlier thread he linked some pictures he found online showing some gear changes up to 1.10 and tried to argue in the thread that the gear was that way at 1.1. He doesn’t seem to know that class abilities changed from tree to tree during vanilla’s iterations. The slice n dice issue he keeps harping on based on a single video of a rogue in an MC run doesn’t take into account that it could have been buggy or non-functional that week…that was that state of early vanilla.
The hubris of these johnny come latelies is hilarious. The pvp video I posted earlier has a shining example: the prot pally is owning people 1v2+ and 6 years later a youtube commenter pops up with “we didn’t do it like this baddie here, that’s not the build!” but there it is staring him in the face in what can only be summed up as, “who we gonna believe, you or our lying eyes?”
You have a hard time parsing words like “plenty of” don’t you? And I posted a video of a Warlock not using keybinds because he has to stop and click his instant skills on a default UI.
EDIT: The same Warlock that dies to the Heigan dance and has to Soulstone himself to be safe haha
The lock is using keybinds. Like I said, it’s as if you assume people won’t click the videos you link and you can just say whatever lies you want about what is in the video. And/Or you don’t know what you’re looking at, similar to confusing 1.10 for 1.1, you don’t seem to understand that someone using a default UI doesn’t preclude them from keybinds. In fact, many of the top players I’ve watched over the years use the default UI because it’s irrelevant because they aren’t using it.
For his Shadowbolt, not his DoTs or Deathcoil. Despite the bad quality you can still see him click his bar and he even has to stop moving to do it.
But I do so enjoy the ultra inspection of keybind usage over all other facts about Vanilla raiders doing dumb things and playing worse. Just shows you are doing what you always do: find something to misread and just badger it to death while ignoring everything else.
Like this, where you can’t even lie well. It really is pathetic.