It’s about shilling for/indoctrinating people with moral relativism.
Hmmm, I’m not sure we saw ALL of shadowlands…
Was it not mention that there were many afterlives and that we, “The Champions” only got to interact with the main or core leaders only, but there are other Death Entities in the WoW universe (or was it multiverse, I’m not sure anymore lol 
) ?
Wouldn’t those entities be even weaker than the Eternal Ones?
I am sure Titan power came from stealing world souls
Which seems to be exactly what the Void is planning to do what with Iridikron’s mentioning of trusting the Void’s hunger and how he gave Xal’atath a proto-Dragon Soul that was scrapped for a reason which I’m assuming is due to an inability to wield the device’s power unlike the Dragon Soul.
I strongly suspect the Void plans to extract the World Soul from Azeroth to implant a Void Lord into the Planet.
And yet here we are.
If Blizzard were to never address a single plot point from Shadowlands again, I wouldn’t shed a tear. That expansion did everything wrong.
I mean, Maldraxxus was cool and Revendreth was alright (I was so burnt out on the expac by the time I got to it, I barely remember it) but Ardenwald was boring and Bastion fills me with irrational, blinding anger. I don’t think I’ve ever despised a “good” faction so much.
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While I’m no Bastion fan, why such hate?
I assume they are not fans of the whole Elysium style/perfectly clean heaven. Or the whole “make everyone forget their past” deal that was later corrected.
I personally had nothing against it and did enjoy that ultimately we did change it/made it better.
Ye best start believing in awful stories.
YER IN ONE
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A shame Devos didn’t live to see such change and a shame Lysonia was too consumed with Doubt in the Archon’s willingness to affect change…
Some idealists don’t survive to see the world they created becoming the first stepping stones towards their ideal like Devos while some refuse to accept any path except violence and perish rather than accept there is a time for talk in negotiations like Lysonia.
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I am still hoping WoW ultimately retcons the nihalistic “once a soul is destroyed its gone forever” shtick it went with.
Maybe have a reincarnated/reborn Devos ultimately benefit from the changes.
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https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Artificer_Ligiea
That quest says that Ligiea can return.
That said the Grimoire of the Shadowlands says the sundered yet still living Shades in the Maw are Echoes of the original despite still being able to converse and still being able to make decisions in some cases like joining the Maldraxxi in their assaults.
By definition if Devos is resurrected she’d be an Echo of the original Devos by Blizzard’s definition since the consciousness simply stopped until it restarted I.E. rebooted from the memory on Devos’s hard drive.
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Zerde kind of explained it already. But in my own words:
Firstly, it’s really boring. It’s already hard to take a “perfect” heaven-like paradise realm and add interesting conflict to it. But I actually think Diablo 3, warts and all, did a pretty good job. But the aesthetics of Bastion are boring and kitsch. It felt less like a depiction of heaven and more like where the Care Bears might live. The fact that the entire Shadowlands campaign is completely on a rail and forces you to go all the way through their questline first and foremost is just terrible. A heaven-like realm should be something you build up to, like the Divine Comedy. This is the start of the real adventure, and the first place we go is a toothless, milquetoast, dull and frankly pretty uncreative interpretation of heaven. Clouds and harps might be cliche but at least the idea of walking on a literal cloud is weird and alien enough to be kind of interesting. Bastion is like an outdoor garden area at a natural history museum.
Not helping the boring aesthetics is the terrible quest design, which feels almost spiteful it’s so bad. The first thing you do when you get to this new exciting world is… fill up a jar. Then you sit through lectures and stand around while characters monologue. It takes like, what? 10? 20? quests before the enemy faction even shows and the conflict starts. These are the kind of quests I’d add to a game if I really wanted you to hate a faction before you kill them all. The kind of missions I’d make someone play if I really, really hated them and wanted them to be bored and miserable. It’s like the devs watched that one episode of South Park about ziplining and though “Hey! That’d make a great questline for our game!”
and… oooooooh. The conflict. The memory-erasing cult plotline. Don’t get me started. I’m gonna get so freaking mad I’ll go into an Angry Video Game Nerd monologue. The fact that Bastion’s leadership begrudgingly compromises it at the end doesn’t excuse the fact it was there in the first place. I… oooh. I don’t wanna go off. I don’t wanna go off. Do not get me started. It fills me with the kind of white hot rage I only get when talking about what happened to Reforged.
Hoo boy. Hoo, I’m steaming now. I gotta go for a walk around Keel Harbour and knock back a few Dalaran Noirs before I explode.
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Off-topic, but you should play Disco Elysium, Zerde. It’ll give you a better comparison point for what constitutes good writing in a video game.
Granted, now that I’ve recommended it, you’ll probably hate it just to make me wrong XD
So…like Lenin and Stalin?
Or Thrall and Garrosh? Oh wait Thrall is still alive for some reason, I keep forgetting. What is he even doing now??? I wish he died in Cataclysm so we didn’t have to watch his slow descent into “depressed dad” mode.
He went back to being the Orc leader, since there are like no other reasonable candidates.
And he’s not warchief, because…?
Because the Horde refuses to have Warchiefs anymore. After Slyvanass, Garrosh and – let’s face it – every single Warchief before Thrall - the title is tainted, and one person having supreme power over the entirety of the Horde has never gone well. The new system is a “War Council” where everyone theoretically has equal power.
Theoretically, of course. In practice, obviously the queen of every single troll on the planet is going to have more sway on geopolitics than the fat guy who leads a single Embarrassment of pandas, and has no control over the dozen of other Embarrassments all across the globe.
Gee, thanks for running the Horde’s identity into the ground, Blizzard. Jesus Christ. The Alliance went from being an Alliance to an empire with a “High King”, meanwhile the Horde has become an alliance with a council.
This is all so narratively stupid.
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