Why are the Kyrian the good guys?

Torturing conscripts to believe in Kyrian values doesn’t look like good guy behavior to me.

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None of the covenants are objectively good. They just focus on what is beneficial to themselves.

Some hold themselves has higher than thou, while others kick you while you are down.

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I couldn’t even imagine giving up my memories just because some blue man group reject told me to.

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They aren’t good or evil per se. That’s part of what they have to give up, so that they can ferry souls of good and bad people wherever they must.

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There’s good guys in Warcraft?

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Sounds like sinner talk to me

I feel like people have just been assuming that they’re “the good guys” because they look angelic and their realm looks idyllic.

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Anyone asking you to give up everything that makes you who you are, is evil and should be destroyed.

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I don’t think anyone really said they were? All covenants have their good and bad. Kyrian’s just have the heaven/angel thing going on cause they ferry souls.

I also don’t think the wiping memory thing is that wrong of a thing to do if they truly are responsible for ferrying souls to their proper place, since ones past memories and judgements could cause them to make really bad decisions ( see Uther and Arthas).
What complicates this is that is very vague what they do vs. what the arbiter does. Maybe I just didn’t pay attention well enough, but it seems like the Arbiter is described as being the one that sends souls where they are supposed to go, but then what do Kyrians do? Do they only ferry souls to the arbiter? Because then it would be much easier to detect if a Kyrian is improperly ferring souls so the strict rules are less necessary.

I’d also like to place a lot of blame on the arbiter, for sending people who wouldn’t be willing to do the job of selflessly ferrying souls into the covenant about selflessly ferrying souls. It’d be like putting a pacifist into Maldraxxus, a sinless repentant being into Venthyr, or an oil tycoon into Ardenweald.
Just seems like the arbiter doesn’t like Kyrians very much. Maybe she thinks they are taking her job?

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Only Sith deal in absolutes.

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Kleia’s muscular blue thighs.

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I think the Arbiter saw the potential there, but not expecting what was to come and the drought. Everything having to be rushed leading to pain and doubt.

Not to mention Greek Mythology in itself is pretty jacked up too hehe :slight_smile:

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They don’t seem like the good guys, they are a borderline cult.

The Night Fae are morally way better.

There’s Anduin, but he gets picked on for being good.

Every soul has it’s purpose.

I understand why it must be this way, but I don’t agree with the means.
Uther the Fallen is a perfect example.
If the Kyrian were to allow something like personal bias or attachment to influence their decision, it’d lead to injustices on a cosmic level. (On a personal note, I’m pretty sure Arthas would’ve went to Maldraxxus, not the Maw, as he took up Frostmourne in service of Lordaeron, initially, and showed a near blind level of devotion to his kingdom until he was ultimately corrupted by the runeblade)
Imagine if Garithos was an untried, but ascended Kyrian, for a moment?
Anything that remotely resembles a not-human would immediately be cast to Revendreth at best, and the Maw in basically every other instance.
Attachments bring baggage, and baggage brings rash, and unfair decisions.

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I thought faction wars would end with BFA, I guess I was wrong. Instead of 2, now there are 4. I bet there will be lots of “blizzard is [insert covenant here] bias” threads coming soon.

The jedi were always weak, and their destruction and failure was inevitable.

They’re not “good”; they’re just Uber drivers for the deceased.

Also, they’re kind of in a cult.

Just like Sylvanas who wanted everyone to follow her blindly or die if they refused

I thought that ardenweald had the good guys. they are the ones that care about the animals, plants and trees, things that are important to actual living humans not some made up good idea about where you go when you die. i think blizzard did a good thing by making kyrians not the actual good guys, from my understanding thats what the guys at oribos are suppose to be.