Nuh huh. Liar McLiar face!
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Ghostcrawler! - (IYKYK)
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Devs gave rets, increased melee ranged in the least needed change I’ve ever seen, half of rets rotation is ranged anyway. Which caused community backlash, which resulted in them removing additional melee ranged from feral and rogue in addition to ret, But let ret keep its majority ranged abilities. So ret is forever tarnished in my eyes.
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In what way?
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Outside of the usual suspects, such as bad players and old-school stigma, I think a lot of negative emotions come from paladins not playing their class effective, and it’s more frequest for rets.
As in example, when I run keys on this dude, I use about 15-17 sacs per key, I snipe multiple 8-10mil LoHs, I’m really good with BoPs, as I got threat indicators on Vuhdo and I’m really good with personal utility and know when to bubble stuff off to help the healer, as well as throwing in a few WoGs here and there.
But then I’d run a key on my Brewmaster or Rdru, and our ret, despite being 3k IO, will not a single sac or BoP or LoH…and will do a mediocre damage, but also likely to have a dumpster for a mount.
(In case someone wants to check my "resume" https://raider.io/characters/us/kelthuzad/Peexee)
But I must add that meta-chasers also leave a bad taste in my mouth. As soon as new meta is born, a lot of 
players decide to swap over, thinking if they play meta they will be good…No, they still suck. Just no more egoistic.
I will never forgot how as an Outlaw rogue during S2 and S3 I was topping meters in every 15-18 key over all the meta specs, despite OL being hard capped and was considered to be C/D tier. (of course in 20-22’s I was not the top damage, but stayed competitive)
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Uh-huh.
Sounds like some serious haterade.
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They hate the “memey” damage from the DS spam likely. It’s absolutely not all about dps with this spec, high damage utility class like was previously stated.
I haven’t put any thought into what state the class is in just enjoy playing it and the mogs. I do wish herald was viable but meh. I do think the most hate comes from the absolute stupid amount of population we have so it’s literally a 1/10 might actually play it to their maximum potential. I’m mid at best so it is what it is for me lol.
The issue has nothing to do with the class itself honestly. This has to do with the way Blizzard has these ridiculous feast and famine balance cycles that make someone’s favorite class inviable for massive sections of this otherwise brain rotted repetitive content. Then they spend even more release cycles not bringing classes in parity with their respective performances forcing people who actually want to have fun playing the game to uproot everything and hard class swap to remain needed, requested and otherwise desired to do the content. Yes, there’s a bunch of horrifically bad apples in this game, people are more brain rotted than in previous years. But if Blizzard made a serious effort to make classes have performance parity between each other with their respective niches then we’d realize that the real problematic players are DRUIDS! SMELLY SMELLY STINKY UGLY AND AWFUL DRUIDS.
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This. It’s this. If I ever find myself on a therapist’s couch, my unreasonable lingering anger for bubble-hearthers will be a topic of discussion.
100% this, Paladins should have been Silver.
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Fixed it for ya. 
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This leveling as a ret back in class and BC ret was so so so boring is like auto attack and use judgement on CD. As as dps wise they seem ok in WoLK but end of expansion their damage was meh mainly because of armor penetration was the best stats for melee class like warrior and MM hunter and would do some insane damage. I play a port rank back then and always feel my Druid was better since they have a much larger hp pool . End or WoLK is all about having most hp because blizzard have no idea how to balance tanks so tank buster do a lot of damage and constantly DoT to everyone in raids so having more hp is key. Also healers never ran out of mana so every healer was spamming heals and there was a ton of over healing
That all change in cata where blizzard tweak the damage profile of mobs and boss where having armor, parry, block chance, dodge damage reduction become much more important a shaving only HP is actually bad . Healers also goes oom easily .
Overall ret is ok just people always think they are easy to play kind of like BM hunter back in the day.
Because you had to stack armor pen and agility for better damage and Crit. That mattered a lot more than strength stacking.
Yea I still remember I would also raid on my hunter it was like stack crt in SV hunter and collect armor penetration gear till you hit over 50% armor penetration then swap to MM hunter.
Because they are unworthy of the Holy Light.
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Why are Ret players disliked by some the community?
Popular classes and specs tend to attract larger population of bad players. I originally rolled Paladin because the Paladin’s I kept running into where just awful, absolutely window licking awful and I needed to know what they weren’t using, infact, this is how all my alts come into fruition. I run into players that are so frustratingly bad I need to experience the class myself.
The class just has a lot of tools that a lot of players just don’t ever utilize. That’s what it all basically boils down to. I decided to main Paladin fulltime after joining an AV in Vanilla and finding a ranking warrior and just using freedom on them and dropping heals. He tipped me a couple of gold through the mail and invited me along to PvP with him. It was awesome as a 13 year old.
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First of all, holy necro batman
Second of all, the number of Ret Paladins with “pal” in their name…I just…c’mon where’s the creativity?
Third of all, at the time of posting it’s a pretty easy spec to do stupid amounts of damage with, so you don’t even have to be decent to rock it with Ret right now. Given the scaling of the spec under the current design, ‘good at low levels’ will probably continue for some time.
Fourth of all, you play a class that can do everything and you insist on only being DPS…?