their mana is always low , i always have to wait after every pull until they mana up .
and is there a huge difference when it comes to healing between disc and holy ?
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Output is similar, disc has a higher damage contribution but slightly weaker emergency ST healing. Mana expenditure is similar, in that their primary small-group heals are expensive and their AoE rotations either cost a lot to sustain (Holy), or may need to be supplemented with ST filler (Disc). Disc handles high group damage better through smart use of Barrier/Rapture.
A good disc priest in a key will be more valuable than a similarly skilled hpriest, though ultimately there’s not that much of a difference to a certain point.
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does apply to mythic + ? or just toward raids? as in mythic plus, damage is very spikey and I feel like that disc priests can’t dps to heal at all, the damage comes too fast and they can’t get set up.
when it comes to Raiding , i noticed d.priests are more comfortable . they can actually play their class and dish out over 15k dps, 20k hps
I’m referring specifically to M+ in this example; I haven’t done much higher than a 15/16 as priest, but I’m still able to use Atonement as the bulk of my AoE heals (with a few exceptions). ~15k dps, 25k+ hps across an entire key usually.
Raid, holy has higher peak throughput (using mythic WCL data as my source), but disc is more common and has comparable throughput when played to a good standard. Disc raid DPS is always going to be higher than Holy’s provided they’re both actively healing.
Maybe he’s not running mana essences? I’ve never really oom’ed in my runs when I run both mana regen essences with a Well Major as Holy.
its not just with one healer… i always noticed a disc priest mana lingers @ 30 -50%
I run Crucible major, Conflict and Strife and ERT minor and I’ll drop to 10-20% mana on a large pull at worst.
What sort of keys are you running @Hamir?
10s up to 12’s … just got back to the game 3 weeks back …had to pump my ilvl all the way from 380 … so couldnt run high end keys … a couple weeks more and ill proly be going with 15’s - 18’s
Discipline priests that excel in both m+ and mythic raiding do so because they’re proactive - not reactive. They KNOW the dungeon and how its scripted damage and affixes interact. The KNOW when the raid boss will be dealing damage. This is the foundation to a good discipline priest. You need to have your atonements out before damage happens, your cooldowns are about mitigation, not recovery (as is the case for most healers: damage happens > pop cooldowns). For discipline, you pop cooldowns before the damage happens. While the damage is going out onto the raid / party, that’s the window for the priest to do damage and ramp up healing.
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In a dungeon, too, it doesn’t take long to just chuck a Radiance out and either smite your heart out, or spam Smend. Disc isn’t as much of a 5head, omniscient god only spec as people seem to make it out to be. If anything you have more tools to stabilise a group as disc than you do as holy.
Raid is a slightly different story, but even then disc has strong filler healing.
so a healer priest is as pointless as 5 zeors on the left of a number
Any spec works for the level of m+ you are doing. This isn’t MDI.
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Well if you refuse to read what I actually posted, it’s your comprehension that is 5 zeroes left of a number.
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I was curious to what people were running as essences. I imagine it would be a real mixed bag.
I run well major for the big single target heal for emergencies but can also save me mana and stop me interrupting my dps. Crucible minor, and because of the nerf to disc next patch, im practising with visions minor, used to be ert. Im actually finding the visions playstyle not bad, mindbender is up almost every pull or so.
I did a +13 today on my mage and we had disc heals. Dude crushed it. Made time easily and handled some +6 stacks of bursting at times.
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6 stacks of bursting isn’t bad if it hits all at once and they’re not rolling into each other.
That’s the trick. Some groups i get love adding another stack just before the debuff falls off just to make me work.
Well that blows. I roll hpal so it’s usually ok but sometimes…
Priest is definitely more mana intensive in M+ than your Resto Druids, Holy Paladins, and Resto Shamans. Disc a bit more so than Holy imo, specially when forced to use a lot of shadow-mend (not ideal but sometimes you have to). Monk is also pretty mana intensive.
In terms of raw healing throughput Disc is also a bit on the lower end for M+ but with correct use of Rapture, Barrier and PS you can make up for it a little bit. Holy has more raw throughput than Disc but it doesn’t have all the shiny tools so it’s actually weaker (assuming the player can use Disc’s toolkit effectively).
But yeah I remember swapping from my Priest to either my Druid or Pally. On the Priest was basically drink after every 2-3 pulls (or a few zips after every pull so I don’t slow down the group), while on the Druid/Pally it was more like twice every run.
I’ve been running Lucid Dreams as my major and find myself drinking maybe 2 or 3 times for the entire dungeon, if it’s a smooth run obviously.