Why are people so opposed to trash skips?

[Maldonix-aerie-peak (Maldonix)]

@Calreon-ghostlands

I’ve seen some trash skips that take longer than actually pulling since the person has no idea how to execute it. Looking at you WoD Everbloom.

Lol, that sure brings make memories. I wish there was a video of people trying to climb up that ledge repeatedly with Benny Hill chase music playing.

[Ehiztari-earthen-ring (Ehiztari)]

@Skritchme-moon-guard

When the tank walks along the wall, and somebody chooses to walk down the middle, which aggros stuff that most groups know to skip that’s not following the tank.

Obviously that’s not what I’m talking about.

[Vanya-emerald-dream]

@Baridorielor-malfurion

Maybe don’t pug and make your own group that says “Hey i want to do this super fast plz” if you don’t have the time then?

I don’t understand this. Why is it implied that if it’s a pug then the pace must be slow? The argument of not having a timer is totally invalid. That’s just your opinion.

@Baridorielor-malfurion

Everybody thinks their time is always more important. Doesn’t really justify anything.

…except that it does. If I don’t want to waste my time, I will definitely skip certain trash packs in dungeons. What further justification is needed?

@Baridorielor-malfurion

I don’t want to be trite and cliche here, but this is a video game, not a job.

If i have somewhere i needed to be irl, and if i have to do the dungeon in WoW, the dungeon can wait after.

And even speaking ingame, if i have to rush though the dungeon to get to the other stuff in WoW, that would speak to more of how mismanaged my time would be if i’m telling people to rush it. I would just say “i g2g” and drop out at that point and then do that thing i needed to do.

Once again - I think you miss the point. It’s not about having to be somewhere else. It’s about saving time down the line. If I enter a dungeon, I will complete it either way. But I would much rather complete it in 10 minutes rather than 20 minutes.

[Eraedis-turalyon]

These two are the prime example of people who are unable to relax and get out of the mythic+ mentality of the rush.

People do the easier difficulty dungeons to take a break from that. Some do lfr to take a break from mythic raids. Others just fish.

Skritchme and Vanya needs to learn how to chill and get out of the mythic+ mindset and just enjoy the easier stuff for what it is… that or just don’t do them at all.

[Baridorielor-malfurion (Baridorielor)]

@Vanya-emerald-dream

Why is it implied that if it’s a pug then the pace must be slow?

What am i implying is if you want something that is more consistent with your speed then you would be better off to make your own group then pugging randoms. Why not just make your own group instead of pugging randoms? You can invite anybody you want.

Why is it implied that making your own groups is bad or not even considered as an legitimate option? I mean it’s not like the LFD is going to stop you from making your own group and then queing up.

@Vanya-emerald-dream

The argument of not having a timer is totally invalid.

Well you haven’t really provided a good counter point to it under then “my time is more important” so to quote from your quote because it’s just as applicable to what you’ve said…

@Vanya-emerald-dream

That’s just your opinion.

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@Vanya-emerald-dream

If I don’t want to waste my time, I will definitely skip certain trash packs in dungeons. What further justification is needed?

That’s the thing, it’s just you talking about you. It doesn’t really justify a thing because you’re just 1 person out of 5 people who are doing the dungeon.

Maybe if your the tank, then sure, you can set the pace to whatever you want. But if not, either deal with whatever pace they set it to or just leave and make your own group.

@Vanya-emerald-dream

It’s not about having to be somewhere else. It’s about saving time down the line. If I enter a dungeon, I will complete it either way. But I would much rather complete it in 10 minutes rather than 20 minutes.

But that’s just you. If you want to complete it in 10 minutes, then you would be better off not pugging randoms and making your own group who have the similar interests as you.

[Simplyred-hydraxis]

@Skritchme-moon-guard

It’s pure entitlement when you decide other people are there as a tool to get you extra xp, and you end up slowing down everybody’s xp gain in the process.

Pot, meet kettle.

[Lucygray-sargeras]

This is probably one of the reasons why I have never done Torghast in LFG. I don’t want to spend time clearing everything for phantasma and anima powers. I mean I could understand if it was your first time there and want to experience it. Maybe same reasons with normal and heroic dungeons that people want to know what the mobs can do for future reference? But after doing it so many times I just make a bee line straight to the floor bosses while running away from trash. It’s just faster and more efficient that way.

[Greatbrae-dalaran]

but why not? Sometimes when you get an anima power it actually gives you stuff like mats and gold.

[Varassa-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Little to no loot, So why waste time to kill’em if they don’t reward you for your time? There was a huge reduction of Loot from trash mobs starting at Warlords.

[Piddy-uther (Piddy)]

@Vicesify-azralon

rested xp on retail ?

My alts always level with Rested XP. I logged in to all of them at expansion start just to get them stewing. If I run out (rarely), I’ll switch to another one and let that one rest.

I never run out of Rested XP at high level.

But then I don’t just sit in dungeon queues all day, Rest XP lasts a lot longer questing.

[Greatbrae-dalaran]

yes and no, they made what loot you did get for sell for more gold, though it had been reduced to prevent ppl from going to old content from farming gold.

[Astilsa-thrall]

At least in raid, someone is always gonna pull the trash on accident. Might as well just deal with it.

[Amamage-wyrmrest-accord]

Everyone is in such a hurry today. Trash still drops some mats or other items so I wish it would not be skipped.

Sometimes just to naughty I “accidently” pull that mob group. My targeting macro is not perfect. Sorry about that.

[Sinelius-proudmoore]

That experience isn’t worth it, never will be. Skip to save time for end of dungeon xp bonus.

@Born-aerie-peak

If we’re talking about non endgame content, I dislike skips in leveling dungeons because im usually only leveling alts specifically so I can go back and get a break from shadowlands dungeons. If I was trying to speed level, I wouldn’t be wasting my time by queueing for a dungeon like a dummy anyway. I queue up because I want to do the dungeons and mindlessly kill things.

Sounds like you need to stick to questing solo, not dungeons. That extra 500 XP from mobs is not going to make a huge difference, dungeons are end-of-dungeon XP bonus farms, not “kill all enemies for xp” farm. You slow everyone down and waste their time.

@Ehiztari-earthen-ring

Could add
4. trash = money (not a lot, but if you’re broke every copper counts)
5. the go-go-go pathing is an issue - I can take the 4 seconds it takes to unsummon my pet (and let you get so far ahead that the gap between patrols has closed and now I have to wait for that gap to open again or find a new path and get screamed at for “not keeping up”) or I can attempt to keep my pets nearby (and hope that the space you’ve left me to move between patrols doesn’t aggro them and then get screamed at for “pulling trash”) or take a second and a half to mount up (while your DH self is already miles ahead and we’re back to hoping the gaps between patrols haven’t closed since you dashed through them).

I have to disagree with this money part, those few coppers won’t do anything. If you really need gold, vendor any loot you get from bosses and do quests. Dungeons are NOT the place to scrap copper if your poor and slow others down because your poor. There’s other places for that kind of thing.

[Zharanya-wyrmrest-accord]

Certainly at low levels, the completion bonus is so big that you get the most XP/hour by going as fast as possible and just kill the boss you need (people do this in one of the Blackrock Depths dungeons). But a big problem skipping trash mobs is that very frequently they get pulled anyway, when you are engaging another pack of mobs. It is often safer to kill everything has you go. Especially if some mobs in the dungeons have fears, you want everything behind you to be dead.

[Idontknowhow-darrowmere]

Because in the amount of time people try to cut corners, hop ledges, wall run, or otherwise just try to sneak past, we could have just killed the mob in a matter of seconds, but now we wasted even more time on laziness. And that’s assuming we didn’t end up pulling the mob anyway, dying by pulling even more mobs trying to skip, or wasting a monumentally greater amount of time because we have to wait on people that struggle or don’t know how to do it, or got caught behind a patrol pack and now have to wait before even attempting it. It almost always ironically turns out to be a massive waste of time and I make every effort to kick people that do this. If you want to skip everything, make your own group and run the dungeon manually so you can cut as many corners as you want.

[Spongemike-sargeras]

Nope I pull all the mob that’s needed to get to the boss. There are packs where you can skip with invisible pots, or druid powl etc but most people don’t carry them or use it unless is an organized groups

[Sernius-garrosh]

I can agree with the bypass in M+. but normal or heroic? mobs drop like flies & it’ll usually take less time to kill them than bypass. If you have to wait over 10 seconds for patrolling mobs you’re wasting more time than you would if you killed them.

[Profien-thrall]

Most of those rando’s are too smooth brain to comprehend how to skip the trash

[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

@Sinelius-proudmoore

That experience isn’t worth it, never will be.

To you, no. Not everyone plays the same.