Why are people so obsessed with Hunter being melee?

I dont think you know what a sandbox is

seemed to work out well actually so idk what you are going on about. If it didnt support it, it couldnt of been done.

tell me you know nothing about it without further explaining how you know noting about it

Not once in all my time here have I ever made the claim of playing since launch, however I did use it for WoW Classic, and guess what, it worked. Imagine that.

I mean for one this is assuming you even take these talents in the first place. secondly the only sting you get from that tree was Wyren sting so. Just because you have the ability doesnt mean you use it. And before you try and make the claim, its a no

If this was the case id agree with you

You really gonna start pretending you did not say things again lol. You are the one that said that survival was melee despite using the wyvern sting talent in survival since their kit was focused on melee. And the only two talents here are Wyvern sting and Counter attack. So no your kit is not focused one being melee. But sure if you stop using your ranged attacks you are a melee class just as much as a mage that refuses to use any spells.

Being a full Marksmen specced hunter standing in melee to spam wingclip your melee slow becuase thats one of the fastest way to apply melee procs on a niche weapon that gives a spell dmg buff to your casters is not a successful implementation of a melee dps hunter. You would not even be specced survival if you did this since MM gives trueshot.

You can do all content when you are carried by 39 other players, but it does not mean all builds are supported and intended.

You did not even play at launch and you try and claim its sandbox, are you also gonna claim that classic wow was a sandbox. Its clear that you dont play other games and have a very limited view of their range.

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How hard would a rework for leech be that it is shared by both, and not based on the Hunter’s damage just from the pet’s? All the healing should come from the pet as BM does very little of its own dps, and if hunter is shut off they still would gain health.

Other option is to have Spirit Bond a shared talent that all the specs can use. Then remake Survival’s Mastery to be more appropriate for its spec design, like increased damage from bleeds, elemental, and poison damage. Then Mastery would have a greater benefit to SV, and Hunters would have another chance to have a health regeneration ability.

Nice so you finally get it. Warriors and rogues could shot a bow but they prefered staying in melee since thats where the focus of their kit was, but the bow was still useful since there are times they cant be in melee. Holy priest had dmg spells and talents to improve them but they would still mostly heal and only dmg during specific times like c’thuns vurn phase or loatheb.

Having melee abilities did not make Hunters a melee dps since they where there for the occasions when you had no other choice. You can not ignore the majority of your kit to claim a class is something it isnt. Imagine if you where unfortunate enough to bring a ret paladin to the raid. And he would not change to frost aura on Saph cause he is DPS so he will only do sanc aura, he will not help throw a heal on Loatheb cus he is only dps, he will not fear the adds on Kel’thuzad since he is only dps, he will use judgement of the crusader on the boss not wisdom cus he is only dps, he will not BoP people on noth on the threat reset cus he is only dps, he will not use a clutch LoH cus he is only dps, he will not help with dispels when it gets hectic cus he is only dps. Thats not someone playing a ret paladin thats someone trying to pretend they are playing something they arent.

This is not assuming that Survival had TSA, this is assuming you are not trolling 39 other people and going MM so that you can get TSA so that you can actually help your raid. You bring nothing to the raid by going survival when all you should be doing is spamming wingclip.

If you went melee survival in raids you would do below average dps for your dmg dealers and less than if you went ranged so you would be carried.

Yes and classic wow is not a sandbox.

No not all games are sandboxes but if you think the difference between classic and retail is large enough to make Classic a sandbox game you havent actually played any sandbox games.

There are so many arguments you can have for melee survival. You wanna be Jon Snow and ghost from GoT, you wana be Spear and Fang from primal. Its nice to have acess to ranged and melee dps on the same class. It has been in the game for a long time now so changing it back might just be making the same misstake again, completly overhauling a spec leaving the old enjoyers of it without a spec to play. Or simply you just vibe with the flow of the rotation. So i do not understand why you keep making things up to defend it and then act like survival is attacked when its called out for being untrue.

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This is one of the dumbest takes this forum has seen, which is saying a lot.

How is it a dumb take to say that just cus warriors and rogues had ranged weapon that was sometimes usefull to use it still did not make them a ranged dps class.

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Yeah what he said was pretty much accurate. Why don’t you try actually forming an argument?

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wtf blizzard i played a ranged warrior build in vanilla in 2005 where is my bow warrior spec?

daily reminder survival is a melee hunter spec and daily tantrums for 8 years will not change that

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I want to know more about this. Can you elaborate more on how you create one?

I wouldnt put money on that, survival has been the least played spec since its rework. I am expecting a hunter rework next expansion so time will tell. I think BM would be a better melee spec

you mean like feral always being played less than balance? or affliction being played less than the other two warlock specs? :thinking: wonder if they’ll get majorly role reworked, even after blizzard said no current specs are changing their role

No i mean as less than any other spec in the game for 8 years, every single patch last played in mplus\raiding etc with the exception of maybe one or 2 patches in that time where it might of popped past another spec but its basically always 2nd\last.

Feral also dont have posts about how the rework was awful every day.

Blizzard has the data and like i said time will tell. No point arguing about it. If its gonna happen its gonna happen.

If any spec is going to get a change i wouldnt be surprised if its survival hunter thats all im saying,

The Legion artifact weapon pretty much guarantees SV is staying melee.

not to mention ion said no spec is changing its role lol. and blizzard said they don’t really care about spec population numbers at all

if u have to make daily reminders for 8 years maybe theres a problem :roll_eyes:

is the problem being that every thread is derailed by the same guy demanding they remove a current spec and re-add his favorite spec?

idk i dont read every thread, but this one is literally about melee vs ranged so idk how it’s being derailed by that

Ummm… I hate to be the one to break this to you, no class changed roles. Hunter was dps, and it’s still dps. Maybe try a few less lol’s and reading a little more.

the direct quote is “people play enhancement because they like melee DPS—roles won’t be changing.”

If melee and ranged are the same “role” insofar as DPS…why would they have that quantifier? :thinking: