The Orcs in the original lore before WoD didnāt need demon blood to be led into this either - they were manipulated into war and the demon blood came later. WoD was a natural extension of that.
Also, Mawthorne is 100% correct.
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Yes
Warlike warrior culture is a cultural aspect
BLOODLUST, ie the loss of control due to rage, was a product of fel corruption that WoD retconād to be inherent to orcs without the demon blood.
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I feel like youāre defining bloodlust in a particular way that neither is what is commonly understood to be bloodlust nor what is portrayed in WoD.
When Grom says that the Orcs will be conquerors, that is not the product of rage - thatās ambition and ideology.
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Kyalin bloodlust is a state in the lore
Weāve had this conversation on at least 3 separate occasions
It was retconād to be natural rather than a product of demonic corruption
When did they retcon that? I thought that was likeā¦ a core aspect of the racial. Next its going to be āthe orcish horde that came through the dark portal changed to green skin to camouflage into the forests, to better kill night elvesā¦ because Blizzard hates night elves.ā
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In WoD
As Iāve said
Now six times 
We havenāt had this conversation before actually. Maybe you had it with someone else, but not me.
I also donāt see the point in conflating the Blood Fury racial with the abstract concept of Bloodlust that was being referred to. Iām not honestly sure what would lead you down this path unless youāre making connections between the spell and the Orcish way of life that arenāt established in the lore.
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Kyalin we literally have, just read what Gantrithor wrote.
Itās okay to be wrong about a race and faction you donāt play.
Scroll down to the āRise of the Hordeā section, Gantrithor, and note the timeline.
@ Baalsamael, you too. Note when Mannorothās blood enters the equation.
Kyalin
Orcs have always been a warrior culture
The original lore stated that orc Bloodlust (the state) was caused by Manorothās blood.
Warrior culture is not the same as that magical bloodlust frenzy.
WoD changed it so that this uncontrollable frenzy was genetic and inherent to the race without the demon blood.
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Thank you for validating Smalloizās point and mine. This is all that was being said. It is not a surprise then or a retcon, that WoD would feature that warrior culture acting in the way that warrior cultures do.
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Except youāre wrong.
The magical bloodlust frenzy was retconād
Which is my original point
So here we are
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Ermā¦ yeah?
Kilājaeden shows up. Manipulates/corrupts the orcs into a bloodthirsty rabble. Demon blood comes later.
How does that change what I posted?
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Everybody is talking in circles. One of the reasons is that the people saying the Blood Fury is now an inherent racial trait rather than a corruption are just saying it over and over instead of substantiating it.
Here is the substantiation.
Note though that this did not actually begin with Warlords of Draenor. The first implications of this came from Dranosh (then Saurfang the Younger), who activates a glowing-red-eye rage while recounting what happened to his war party in his very first appearance. As a Magāhar he would not have been touched by fel at all, much less demon blood, so this would have been either a retcon to Blood Fury into an inherently orcish trait or merely a representation of a class ability rather than a racial one.
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You are conflating the ability with the ideology - the ideology was in full display. I donāt see that so much with the specific ability that your referenced.
As well as questlines demonstrating this is a struggle for all orcs.
We posted the wowpedia article that summarizes the lore, demonstrating originally the magical frenzy was a product of demonic corruption and also that WoD established it is a universal racial struggle.
Itās literally right there.
Kyalin just hates reading about the Horde and admitting sheās wrong.
Iām not.
Magical frenzy and ideology are separate
Ideology was present
Magical frenzy was retconād
Iāve said this now ten times. In the exact same way.
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This, first of all.
Frosthawkās explanation makes more sense, even if I would cast some doubt on Maraadās retelling and question how much of it is literal and how much of it simply refers to rage in general. However again, Iām not sure that such gets to what Smalloiz and I were pointing out.
Itās literally not. Nothing on the wowpedia article talks about the bloodlust being an inherent racial struggle. It simply does not exist on that page. The information exists, but you havenāt produced it, youāve just slapped down a giant wall of text that doesnāt actually contain the proof youāre saying it has.
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