Why are people ? Covid-19

All I can say as I work at a grocery store os making a zombie parody but the zombies saying breeeeeead call it the walking bread and they swarm a bread man and ravage the bread before it even makes it to the isles bread back torn open trying to desperatly make it to the shelves only to fall short lol it makes me chuckle and get through the day. Oh god am I becoming a sociopath!?!

Many of those cases are new, therefore of unknown outcome.

You cannot draw conclusions of death rate by looking at such incomplete data.

If you want to go by the statistics reported by Worldometer,
~https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
check out the current worldwide closed cases:

Closed Cases

Cases which had an outcome:
119,133

Recovered / Discharged
102,548 ( 86%)

Deaths
16,585 (14%)

A week ago the reported percentage of closed cases resulting in deaths was 7%.
Each day since it has jumped another percentage point.

A week ago the total deaths were less than half what they are today.
The current infection and death numbers are irrelevant. The relevant number pushing the drastic changes being forced on society is the increasing rate of increase.

Take any figure, double it, and keep doubling it. You will see increases similar to what is happening in infection rates.

Naturally, if you double your figure once a week instead of once a day, it will take much longer to reach 4 billion - the number of people likely to catch SARS-CoV-2, if spread is not halted. Slowing this spread means hospitals are less likely to get overwhelmed, and more likely to be able to treat those who develop Covid-19.

The death rate from Covid-19 should be able to be kept down to 1% with optimal treatment. Without access to hospitals and the 2 week stay in a ventilator needed to treat the most serious cases, the death rate could easily surge to 5%.

It’s predicted 70% of Americans are likely to get this illness.
1% of 70% of 330 million is over 2 million.

Is that enough deaths to satisfy people this is serious, or do Covid-19 deniers want to ignore safety measure designed to enable ill people to be treated and by doing so boost this death toll to over 11 million?

What i would like to know is why are people flagging OP’s thread. This is actually a serious problem the world is facing and he wasn’t being a troll or anything of that nature, yet for some reason he has been flagged by enough people to make his first post hidden. Am i missing something here that he has done to cause this or are people just flagging him because its not wow related ?

goes on to attempt to draw conclusions based on incomplete data. :roll_eyes:

WHO/CDC have currently pegged the death rate at around 3.4%

to be fair, you can’t really draw any conclusions until the curve is flattened.

it’s only been global for about a month.
different countries have different access to healthcare.
they also have different groups of ethnicities which will be hit harder simply due to genetics and/or living conditions and/or age span of citizens

variables on top of variables.

watch government pass a bill that mandates militia type lockdown should this ever rise again in a very vague definition of what this type of “crisis” is.

Then you can get locked inside your home by law and not allowed to leave while more things are done behind your backs in the guise of protection and freedoms for the people.

Ever played Plague Inc. ?
~https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_Inc.

I tried many methods of spreading in this game, but the plagues I used kept dying out.
However I eventually found away to wipe out the whole world. It only worked by starting with an initially low impact disease, making few people sick and having a long, symptom-free incubation period.

I’m not suggesting we’ll all die of Covid-19, but I did find the game parallel interesting.

“The scientists found that SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, was detectable in the air for up to three hours, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard, and up to 2 to 3 days on plastic and stainless steel.”

That’s pretty freaky. It’ll just keep spreading in other words. It really doesn’t matter if people DO quarantine or not because there will always be some people who just doesn’t give a crap - and these people are a HUGE problem. The virus would just keep popping up over and over again. The only real solution is to come up with a vaccine or a way to lessen the deadliness of the virus.

For example in the city where I live everything was surprisingly calm for a few days. Very little activity. Then yesterday everything was more or less back as usual. The buses were filled to the brim with people. The hospitals had patients(and children!) just sitting in a room coughing while the nurse kept saying “it doesn’t spread through air”.

Yep and once all 7 billion people are infected, you start unleashing symptoms until you shut down organs. People drop like flies. :neutral_face:

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“It doesn’t/hasn’t/won’t effect me, so I don’t care.”

Frankly, we’re in an age of selfishness and apathy. Kind of have to look at the source as to why. Only need to look at store shelves and shopping carts to see proof.

For many, this disease dubbed “the boomer remover” is a gift from God, and I’d wager some people are out there actively hoping to bump a few more old people off in their socializing.

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There is no treatment for mild cases of viral illness.

Advice for most people getting ill now with normal cold or flu symptoms is to self quarantine until better, unless symptoms worsen.

  1. Stay Home and Call a Health Care Provider
    Unless it is an emergency, to reduce your risk of catching or spreading illness, stay home if you feel sick, even if your symptoms are mild. Do not go to work, school or public places, and avoid public transportation.

If your symptoms are severe or you feel like you need medical care, call before you go to a doctor’s office, urgent care center or emergency room. Describe your symptoms over the phone.

If you have a medical emergency, call 911 and tell the dispatcher about your symptoms and recent travel history.

  1. Answer Questions to Determine Your Risk

When you call a health care facility, you will be asked about your risks for COVID-19.

  1. Follow Your Health Care Provider’s Instructions

Based on your answers to these questions, the care provider will provide instructions over the phone. You will be told if you need to be evaluated, and if so, what to do next. Based on your risk for COVID-19, your health care provider may recommend that you:
> - Continue to monitor your health and call back if you develop a fever or respiratory symptoms.
> - Stay home and await further instructions.

  • Report to a designated medical care facility for evaluation and treatment. It’s best to go alone to your appointment. Do not bring children or other family members unless you need assistance.
  • Go to a clinic or emergency department if you have more severe symptoms, such as higher fever and severe shortness of breath.
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It’s worse than that in Italy now.

People are being buried unnamed in mass graves.

Old folks homes have been found deserted by staff, the residents left dead or dying.

The military has been called out to remove dead bodies from houses - not just the occasional body, but having to check every house, as many elderly people have been left alone to die with no treatment at all.

Churches are having bodies stacked up in them like cord wood, awaiting military removal to mass graves.

Medical staff are struggling on with an unbearable workload and inadequate protection, some dying and many having to stop working to care for their families.

The death toll from [hard-hit northern Italy has become so dramatic that Italian officials have called in more soldiers to enforce the lockdown. But even they can’t do anything to help the increasing numbers of elderly victims dying alone — and medical staff who are getting sick themselves.

In Italy, more than 4,000 people, the majority of them over 70, have died. Chinese medical experts aiding Italian doctors say the restrictions imposed by the government haven’t been enough to stem the rising tide of deaths.

Nurses said the situation in the Lombardy area is so dire that the dead are no longer even being counted. “We’re working in a state of very high stress and tension,” Daniela Confalonieri, a nurse in Milan told Reuters. “We can’t contain the situation, there’s a high level of contagion. It’s unimaginable.”

“We are at the end of our strength. The staff are beginning to get sick,” Romano Paolucci, a doctor in the Lombardy city of Cremona, told Reuters.

Paolucci said the saddest thing about the coronavirus crisis is that many elderly victims cannot be visited by their relatives “and often die on their own.”

~https://nypost.com/2020/03/21/coronavirus-in-italy-the-elderly-are-being-left-to-die-alone-during-crisis/

staff in these facilities aren’t equipped to deal with this level of infection.
…they’re just regular nurses, if that.
it’s not something they signed up for.
at most, they’d have basic training… not level 3 infection control, nor the support to help with on-the-job training.

when a nursing home patient becomes gravely ill, they get sent to a hospital, not cared for onsite.
if there’s no space in the hospitals, there’s nowhere for them to go.
anyone who doesn’t die from respiratory failure will probably starve to death.

Australia refuses to go into proper lockdown, retail stores are still open, shopping centres with 550+ stores, still open, still packed to the brim with people.
…we currently have the same amount of deaths which Italy had a month ago, and we’re on track to smash their record if a more severe lockdown doesn’t happen in the next few days.

…meanwhile, parliament have gone on holidays for 5 months.

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No, no it is not being overblown! They need to do mandatory testing on EVERYONE if they are to get a handle on this. Because theres so many walking around A- symptomatic, and if we do not get a handle on this, like we should, were F’d. I am FAR from an alarmist, but believe me, testing people that only have symptoms is just plain stupid at this point.

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I’m not blaming the staff, as I don’t know their circumstances.
For all we know they got sick or even died, or had to stay home to look after children or sick relatives. If some quit over fear, and lack of support, well not everyone is going to keep risking their own life for what may have started to seem a lost cause.

Attacking the media for reporting news is one of the most serious of errors in this crisis.

One of my clients died yesterday from covid 19… it’s no joke. The consequences of taking it lightly won’t be a joke either.

You’re right, and the US actually refused test kits from the WHO when first warned this was necessary, and then Trump publicly gave false information of the availability of testing.

Singapore got it right, testing large numbers early on to know who to isolate to prevent spread.

Singapore’s response to the coronavirus has been held up by many around the world as a model. As of this week, the country [has had 266 total cases, and its infection rate is much slower than the rest of the world.
~https://theprint.in/world/why-singapore-isnt-in-a-coronavirus-lockdown-as-told-by-a-doctor-of-the-country/384784/

A town in Italy appears to have wiped the virus out through intensive testing.

A small town in Italy appears to have wiped out coronavirus — with zero new cases this week — after an experiment that called for widespread testing, according to a report.
~https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/coronavirus-testing-experiment-in-italian-town-may-have-wiped-out-illness/

America could have been prepared or have acted quickly, but was not and has not.

We were caught flat-footed and were slow to respond. Now the WHO says the U.S. might be the world’s next hotspot.

“US could be next Covid-19 hotspot amid ‘large acceleration’ of cases, says WHO”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2020/mar/24/coronavirus-live-news-updates-us-trump-uk-lockdown-global-deaths-cases-covid19-latest-update

Lesson learned, hopefully. Our democracy is only as good as the people we elect.

i wasn’t accusing you of anything, i was just pointing out the reasons why something like that would happen.
(and if i haven’t said so yet, i love your name!) :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

the problem with that, is people have been fed so much rubbish under the guise of “news”, they’ve lost their grasp on reality.

and then there’s the issue of the people who choose to get their medical information from an orange dude.
…like the people who keep repeating that it’s “just like the flu” or “it will go away when the weather warms up” and the good old “i’m young and healthy, it won’t impact me”.

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Well a couple of things here…

First, I do believe that this virus is a real thing going around that is more serious than the common flu and more deadly than the common flu. Though my understanding it’s not so much the virus itself its the way it leads to pneumonia that kills people.

Now the question on whether it is worth totally destroying our economic system to protect the few elderly and vulnerable people we have? Well I think there’s another way they could do it like just isolating the people that are already sick or have medical issues going on there’s several different options on how they could do it really.

I think the virus is serious and should be taken seriously, and I think this overreaction will probably contain it and things can go back to normal in six months time hopefully.

That’s like saying, “it wasn’t the punch in the head that killed him, it was the way his shattered skull mashed up his brain.”

Or, “he didn’t die from me holding him under water, he died from lack of oxygen in his super-hydrated lungs.”

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