Here’s the thing:
This didn’t happen.
Are you going to cite Malfurion in Val’Sharah or something?
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Not this current writing group, nope. There were a lot of badass individuals in Warcraft, but modern blizzard is just following the trends of today.
Make man weak to make woman stronger, ugha booga good writer.
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I literally said in the OP that there is no problem with women being represented in strong leadership roles, it’s just a problem when they don’t depict the men like that.
And you have this bizarre way the whole thread going on that every male has to be depicted as emotionally vulnerable. While that can be a thing, and you like seeing that stuff. Good for you, but I really don’t.
The problem isn’t that there are vulnerable men being depicted, the problem is that is the only way they are being depicted. And else they’re just cannon fodder or sidekick comedic value to praise the real heroes. The strong women.
You also seem to grasp that there can’t be both vulnerable men and headstrong men depicted?
You insist that men are just one big hivemind of emotions, and if there are men who are not like that, you insist that those men are wrong and not “real men”.
So you are saying what a man is supposedly to be like.
And I don’t care that you spend time in an echochamber of people like Twitter where you can easily block people that you don’t collide your views with.
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Whos gonna tell them that they made a female character (Talanji) weak in order to make a male character (Zekhan) stronger
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I’m going to use the same logic they use.
They hate him because he is a man with different views than them.
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Most of my Twitter feed are lesbians and I don’t follow anyone for political reasons. My male friends don’t waste time on social media because they spend most of their time working or with their families. Dont have time to be offended by sjws like we do here on the forums.
Edit I could give you my Twitter if you’d like it. I just mostly talk about my wife and wow.
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This is false.
Yeah Thrall, at least I wasn’t dumb enough to throw my weapons away. Hell yeah!
I read the novel 
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“Any type of labeling [sic]” is so broad a term, it encompasses the concept of language itself. While I agree that many popular labels are loaded terms or pejorative, that doesn’t mean they’re worthless. Toxic masculinity exists. Toxic forms of ALL behaviours and perspectives exist. Personally, I find it more useful to think of “toxic masculinity” as the harm perpetuated AGAINST men by society which leads to the disruptive, antisocial behaviours abhorred by Feminist theory, but there are definitely dangerous views and perspectives of what being “masculine” is in our society.
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All the character you list above are old characters with already well written lore that were created by the old WoW writters not the new ones, find me few well written male characters from BFA or Shadowland that are not total mess like Flynn was beside the big main characters like The Jailer or Bwonsamdi.
Him saving her is not making her weak and him stronger. He saved her cause the writer wanted her saved. He was but a tool for showing her that she is not to be touched narratively.
Flynn was well loved until he started dating. Just sayin.
I agree; I think people are quick to throw out anything that says “toxic masculinity” because they assume that it’s somehow primarily harming women. My concern with toxic masculinity are the men harmed by it.
It literally is about making him stronger. He is on his own as an emissary to the Horde and the freshest face around council matters. It is absolutely about trying Zekhan’s mettle and letting him grow. It’s also about Talanji learning to reach out, but her weakness is just as much about a male character (I mean if you wanna get technical, Zekhan AND Bwonsamdi) as it is herself. And I’m about 100% sure that any other example anyone can pull out of their bholes in WoW are the same.
So when are we getting a Biden NPC?
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No I don’t have Twitter either, or any social media at all.
And again, you downplay criticism by “stop acting so offended”.
Weird, you just used your own confirmation bias to tell me to like these characters or get told I’m wrong.
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Higher then the mensa level? Try reading that statement again before you try and brag.
Also, try not to read into things to much. It’s clear what was being conveyed.
So you think Peterson isn’t a viable source? Does he need to be dead for that? Maybe he needs to add more to his credentials? What more would a person need to do? Seriously.
What a ridiculous way to respond.
Well, yea. I mean, it’s totally fine to disagree with his opinion and his findings… though his opinion is one based in literature and science and has much less to do with what he even thinks, which he says often. That’s what makes him great. Disagree with the science if you want.
In this era, there is seriously no one more well spoken and versed on these topics then him and yet people want to mock someone who would cite him. It’s seriously unsettling. It’s like, what more would you seriously want from someone? I don’t get it. It’s totally unreasonable. If someone of Peterson’s level isn’t reliable… then who? What more would someone need to do to be credible? I seriously can’t fathom it.
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As a female, I enjoy strong male characters in my stories. But I also enjoy wicked ones, and broken ones and anything else that might be interesting. 
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You’ve been telling im wrong the entire thread because I don’t agree with you. Sure you should go there sir?
It literally is about making him stronger. He is on his own as an emissary to the Horde and the freshest face around council matters. It is absolutely about trying Zekhan’s mettle and letting him grow. It’s also about Talanji learning to reach out, but her weakness is just as much about a male character (I mean if you wanna get technical, Zekhan AND Bwonsamdi) as it is herself. And I’m about 100% sure that any other example anyone can pull out of their bholes in WoW are the same.
Being an emissary doesn’t make him stronger than her. It just makes him another assistant as far as she is concerned. Nothing about his character reduces the importance of hers (literal queen of Zandalari). Everything she did in her story was by her will using her powers.
To further cement how she was always set up to be the strong female of the Horde representation: why is Jaina’s mother still alive?