Why are demon hunters elf exclusive ok but drakthyr is not?

I’m just wondering why having demon hunters locked to elves is accepted by the community but having evokers locked is not.

its seems weird to get upset by one thing and not the other.

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It’s not quite the same.

Elves can be other classes besides Demon Hunters.

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If I recall correctly people where whining about Demon Hunters being Elf exclusive back then when they were announced. At the very least though Elves can be other classes. Just really weird for Dracthyr to be unable to be anything other than Evokers.

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I think a lot of people dislike that, including me.

Also do you mean people are upset that other races can’t be evokers? Because that makes no sense, the whole point of evokers is that they’re using dragon powers.

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It isn’t always the same people making the same complaints. People often assume or even refer to GD as an echo chamber or as a sole entity, I barely see people agree on here lmao

I’ve heard a lot of requests for more races for DH like Orcs and Draenei (and gnomes) so it isn’t like people haven’t complained about the elf/DH thing.

And as far as the Dracthyr, personally I am relieved they are locked that way, I have a problem right now where I want like 5 warriors of each race or some junk.

This kind of lets me go “okay well this is the class fantasy THEY wanted for this class and race so imma just lean into it” which is normally not my stance at all.

There’s also some silly geese who want even less class options for each race due to lore and RP reasoning so :man_shrugging:

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But a specific elf cannot, since you can’t change classes on a character. So it seems like a pretty irrelevant point.

Logic does not exist in GD when someone is complaining.

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Well they can’t be anything other than Evokers because they’ve never known anything but dragons and their own abilities. So it makes sense for now that they can’t be any other classes. But maybe in time they branch out.

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I don’t think DH should be locked to Elves.

Illidan made them to beat the Legion. The legion is gone. They need a new mission. They should have orders. Those orders should teach other races.

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For every wish made on GD, it would be someone’s nightmare

One man’s complaint is another man’s request.

Everyone on the forum is a representative of both the majority and the minority on any given topic

There’s been a popular vote, but it wasn’t conducted by a credible and secure source

Etc etc etc it’s all hyperbole anyway!

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I think the only time we’ve had a poll, we all got a free tree mount and a lot of people were quite upset.

Bahahahahahahaha

I missed out on the voting because I wasn’t playing at the time, but I honestly love my tree mount

I water him with the sweet tears of the people who hate him, aaaaaaahahahaha :rofl:

That’s the thing with online voting these days. If you give a write in option you will get the most ridiculous entries. If you provide options, people will try to pick the worst option. All in the name of chaos.

Never forget Boaty McBoatface.

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Yeah like at least with Death Knights they still have thew whole goal of containing the Scourge. What do Demon Hunters even DO now? There’s no demons (generally) to hunt. They existed to defeat the Burning Legion and there was never really any goal (at least I’m aware of) that they ever explicitly stated that isn’t the obvious “Protect Azeroth”

I’ll always remember the perfect boat.

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I thought they said for now the drak could only be envokers but that later they would let you pick other classes. But for now they can only be envokers

I have zero problems with either class being locked to specific races.

Race/class restrictions have been a pretty common aspect of RPGs I’ve played over the years (usually supporting well-worn Tolkien-y fantasy tropes).

tl:dr - Because the pre-existing and established lore for the former is clearly laid out, well established, and coherent, while the Dracthyr's lore is wide-open and could be anything.

When the Demon Hunter was made a class, it was a known quantity. Pathologically obsessed Elves trained by likewise pathologically obsessed Illidan who was, surprise surprise, something of an Elven-supremacist and even discounted the idea of non-Kaldorei Blood Elves until they proved otherwise.

Thing is, the Demon Hunter is so extremely, explicitly based around Elven agility and techniques, magic and otherwise, that translating it to anything else might not even be feasible. It was designed by an elf, for Elves, and nothing elf… er, else. The specific techniques, martial forms, and even anatomy to be compatible with Illidan’s teachings simply might not work with anything else.

Moreover, though… the Demon Hunter is so single minded, single focused, and lost in its own identity that… it really shouldn’t be expanded. All the Demon Hunter has is its image. It doesn’t harken to any broader archetype or idea - you can’t say it covers any bigger notion like the Death Knight vs. the generic “dark knight” or how Warlocks cover the whole Evil Wizard angle. Demon Hunters live and die in their tiny, hyper-specific box.

Sure, it’s neat that you’re so obsessed with killing Demons that you gouged your own eyes out over it, and all, but… that was two seasons ago. No one is thinking about demons and hasn’t for a while now. Probably won’t for several more until we’re ready for another demon-focused expansion. That could be years now. Why the Illidari expand? Why should they even exist at this point in time beyond distant background noise? Why should we spend any development time and effort justifying more Demon Hunters when their whole deal doesn’t matter right now?

Demon Hunters were only Elves because Demon Hunters were always only elves in extremely specific, well established terms. The Dracthyr? …

They’re brand new. They’re… whatever Blizzard wants them to be. They have no background, no restrictions, no nothing. Blizzard can say they’re exclusively Evokers, turn around and say, “no,wait, we changed our minds,” upend everything between now and release, and there’s absolutely nothing stopping them in any direction.

The Demon Hunters were pure image brought in and justified based exclusively on the strength of that pre-established image. The Dracthyr are a blank slate powered by the general popularity of Dragons - they’re not beholden to anything like an Illidan or any other hyper-limiting, stone carved definition. When Blizzard made the Demon Hunter, there was already a Demon Hunter definition and expectation they had to abide by - it was, after all, the only reason why they were doing it in the first place.

The Dracthyr, on the other hand, have no preset definition. Blizzard’s free to do whatever with them and not be shackled by such things. And so, you have a lot of people saying they should do something other than what they’ve revealed.

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There is a legitimate lore reason behind Demon Hunters being elf-only, as they were only available as a Hero Class to the Night Elf race in Warcraft 3, and later as expanded in lore in TBC that Illidan only trained other Elves to be Demon Hunters.

It would be nice though, with the defeat of the Burning Legion, if the Demon Hunters would recruit others into their ranks as they take the Felhammer out into the stars to hunt down the cut-off and disparate elements of the Burning Legion that were out killing the universe while we back-doored them on Argus.

These dragon things make more sense to only be evokers than dh only being elves to me, tbh. Any powerful being can be a demon hunter. These dragon were created to do one thing.

What does it matter about a “specific” character? Your logic does not follow as that applies to every character of every race of every class in the game.

People aren’t complaining about being unable to change the class of their existing character to Dracthyr. They’re complaining about Dracthyr only being able to be evokers and visa versa.

Personally, I’m ok with how Dracthyr have been presented by Blizzard. They’re obviously following the model of the old MMO “Horizons: Empire of Istaria”, which featured playable dragons as both a race and a class. It worked well in that game so should work well in WoW.