Why are coolest horde characters always turn out evil

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Even those that were with horde just for a brief time:

Garrosh, Zul, Zul’jin, Sylvanas (most likely, i’d be happy if not), Varimathras, Godfrey, Kael’Thas, that forsaken scientist that gave us quests and then plant humans so ghouls can eat them. Even Ashvane kinda worked for horde for like ten minutes before offscreen got seduced by Azshara (can we blame her?)

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It’s because all villains must be cool, and Blizzard is better at poaching than creating.

In all honesty, it’s probably just because those characters were all skirting the line between right and wrong in the lore they built. It’s a lot easier to nudge a character over the line when they’re standing on it than it is to make them take three great strides to get there and go over it.

  • Garrosh was always “sort of war mongering”, and was very traditional. His character could easily be believed to go “dark”.
  • Zul’jin was always after the Elves because he felt it was his land. He’s the villain because we see it from our perspective, not his.
  • Varimathras is literally a demon he was always evil, he just played nice for a time because Sylvanas was in a position to force him to play nice.
  • Godfrey committed suicide instead of acknowledging Genn Greymane as his leader because Genn was a Worgen. He literally died from his own racism, and then got rezzed up by the forsaken.
  • Kael’thas probably could have been left alone, but he was the Prince of a dying nation and needed a way to save his people; very easy to write darkly.
  • I don’t know enough about Zul.
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Sylvanas was always evil. She just got evil and badly written.

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Wrong faction, you’re thinking of the alliance.

Edit: You may have fixed your typo but this comment is eternal.

Seriously, though… why’d they have to mess up Garrosh? He was turning out awesome in cata but then MoP came around… :confused:

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Sylvanas is a cow and needs to die, but we are the horde and we are, well, the evil side of a 2 faction war are we not?

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I’m pretty sure all she wanted was revenge against Arthas for what he turned her into.

Now that he’s dead, she’s facing the reality all that lies beyond for her in death is the void. The same void Arthas was condemned to.

Can’t exactly blame her for doing whatever it takes to prevent that fate from happening.

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I think a lot of the division over this expac is really due to subverted expectations, subverted in a not good way.

I know that I am not the only one that read too much into the cinematic. To me it really seemed like Sylvanas finally turned the corner and actually embraced responsibility for the entire Horde. Instead we got something completely different.

So much potential for character development there, completely wasted. We need to stop turning our heroes into raid bosses.

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I mentioned this in another topic, but the reason why the Horde struggles with its identity is because it’s not always evil. The fight is always should it be evil or not. It comes from the conflict between Thrall’s Horde and the Fel Horde.

But the Alliance has always been the heroes, it’s never had a conflict between moralities. It was always going to do the moral choice of an expac because it has always been the hero from WC and never outgrew that.

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Sylvanas isn’t a raid boss. But Jaina was, and to the Zandalari, a bloodthirsty warlord.

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Was never part of the Horde. The Blood Elves didn’t join until after he joined up with Illidan, then the Legion.

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Sure, but that could be as simple as wandering off with her people and leaving everyone else alone. Turns out that starting wars is much more likely to get you killed than living peacefully without bothering people.

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The horde is not the “Evil” side of a two faction war…

The alliance and horde both traditionally have been varying shades of grey, but for some reason, blizzards been trying to shove down the black and white this expansion.

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I’m pretty sure as long as that dog Greymane is around, even if Sylvie did nothing, he’d start a war with her dragging the Alliance into this war.

Sylvie only made the first strike, now she’s a bad guy.

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Both factions are evil.

We just see things differently depending on how dark our ruby shades are.

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Zul’Jin is the boss from Zul’Aman. The one armed Forest Troll. He was part of the old Horde in WC2.

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She’s a bad guy for burning down a nation with civilians and children inside it. She’s not strictly a bad guy for initiating a war per se, but rather how she went about it and handled it.

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I’m pretty sure the NEs aren’t innocent. They are the reason the legion has even caused trouble in Azeroth.

She probably did Azeroth a favor in burning them in hellfire.

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Now you’re just moving the goal post and being disagreeable for the sake of it.

The Night Elves of the Alliance ultimately had little to do with the Legion showing up. That would be the upper caste of the ancient Night Elven society, and many Night Elves actively fought against Azshara’s meddling. The Night Elves even cast out the remaining Highborne who didn’t want to stop tinkering with the well.

There are, however, Naga (the actual people who caused this) still around who are the direct cause of this. The Nightborne were also Highborne, and are more closely related to the Sundering debacle than the average Night Elf citizen (who would have had approximately zero impact on the situation).

This has no bearing on Sylvanas being evil, however.

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If you think that, than you didn’t read or listen to the book. All greymane cares about is her anymore. He’s pretty much accepted that a lot of forsaken are normal people.

Also the night elves are the reason the legion didn’t take over azeroth 10000 years ago. The highborne, which are more closely related to the nightborne, were the reason the legion was summoned. Funny enough they didn’t want to clean up the mess, so they hid and let the night elves do the dirty work for them.

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Don’t forget The Blood Elves were sent to endure the scourge alone when Arthas came calling.

If Garithos wasn’t a full blown dirt bag and didn’t treat the undead, blood elves like useless meat shields, who knows things might have been seen differently

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