Why all the Void elf hate?

My skin isn’t even green, you’re racially profiling

Disgusting

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oh sorry!
all orcs look the same to me, you know… like war criminals.

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Actual racism

You should be ashamed

GOD I HOPE!
I been waiting for something void related since TBC

HEATED GAMING MOMENT :copyright:

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Realistically it’s because Void Elf players were an issue on the forums. They came onto the forums and started making complaints and demands, over and over and over… Eventually Blizzard caved and gave Void Elf players a huge overhaul to their customization options, so much so that they had more options than some core vanilla races until very recently.

Also, the Horde felt like we were just giving something away that felt very Horde like. We lost an iconic member of the Horde so that Blizzard could try to get people to play the Alliance, instead of just giving the Alliance something new. In exchange what the Horde got were a dilapidated version of Night Elves that at the time didn’t have many customization options AT ALL, and didn’t receive customization options (which were already in game) until well after the Void Elves were taken care of.

So, basically Blizzard botched the Void Elf thing, then followed it up with more mistakes. They’ve since balanced things out but it took them like 4 years to do so. But, there are still substantial issues with how the Alliance gets preferential treatment with customization options.

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the horde got vulperas, a 100% new and fun race, the alliance just got re-skins of old races (and sea fatsos)

I mean let’s be realistic

The Void is one of the big bads for WW with Xal and THE biggest bad in Midnight with a whole Void Invasion that we are all trying to combat

I wouldn’t be suprised if Velves split into two factions, one who succumbs to the Void and joins Xal and the others who keep supressing it and join Alleria

I could even see the ones who join Xal getting new appearances and the playable ones who stick with Alleria getting new options too. Maybe they will get reworked back into High Elves who have Void options and the lore will be that they successfully expelled the void or gained full control or something

That’s the issue with Blizz making two races who are fundamentally infused with cosmic energies that are about to become the sides in the cosmic war for the next 3 expacs lol

Felt very Horde-like to who? Blood elves were added to the Horde specifically because they were the opposite of “Horde-like”; it isn’t just a coincidence that they were added the same expansion that Alliance got ugly space goats with tentacle beards

The blood elves that were in the game in Vanilla literally used the nelf character model

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So what?

If something is established almost 20 years ago, it will become a part of a factions or players identity. If that same thing is then given to the opposite faction, then people will predictably feel like they lost something.

This is literally what happened. I’m not taking a side here, this is exactly what happened. It literally doesn’t matter that you don’t think the Blood Elves were Horde enough, even though their TBC introduction depicts them as cruel and cunning, which is realistically very Horde like.

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The funny part is where you don’t get the irony of what you’re saying here at all.

Yes, it is exactly what happened. … in 2006 :face_with_monocle:

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So the events of WC3 never happened then?

:person_shrugging:

After SL, who knows?

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There’s a reason they reused the male blood elf model and rig again for the dracthyr visage form, and that’s because it’s the best-looking one in the game by a mile and still is after all these years.

In Vanilla WoW they decided Alliance would be the relatively-less-ugly, standard fantasy faction and Horde would be the weird beast-like faction, then TBC they decided to give each faction a race that seems like it would’ve fit in more with the other faction, giving Alliance the most ugly and alien thing yet (at least in the case of male draenei—female draenei have always looked good because all the women in WoW are just attractive blue/green/purple/whatever humans with slight changes, which is why so many posters playing female characters are just okay with how Alliance have gotten the short end of the stick for years) and giving Horde dudes who look like marble Renaissance sculptures but with elf ears (and women who look predictably attractive because it’s WoW and all the women are attractive)

Horde players know all this and are just being obtuse when they complain. What’s really unfair is that there were like 10 years where Horde got the hot race exclusively and Alliance was stuck with the uggo race

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We know what exactly? You literally just made a bunch of stuff up, based on very flimsy assumptions and logic.

Again, WC3 happened, Blood Elves were going to join the Horde.

Also, the Draenei were redesigned because they weren’t pretty enough. Their original model is horrendous.

Who’s being obtuse, exactly?

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There is a lot in here I don’t agree with personally but I won’t say your own thoughts and opinion on this aren’t just as valid.

I also find I disagree with this. I don’t think anything has been balanced at all. Especially after Dracthyr.

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In response to this question on Reddit:

How far into development of bc did the team decide on blood elfs. At the time you where there, did they consider blood elfs as high elfs, or think of them as 2 different races?

Xelnath, who worked for Blizzard, said this (emphasis mine):

They were distinct pretty early on - the Blood Elf starting zone was one of the earliest pieces of BC content and was highly polished by the time we rolled into testing.

I do remember a certain poor 3d artist having to chop the Silvermoon city into pieces because it was so overloaded many GPUs would overheat just loading it.

OH - one thing I vaguely remember was that Blood Elves were based on a STRONG request from a poll of asian players (either korean or chinese - I can’t remember which was live at that point) - where many remarked on the horde side that they and their girlfriends wanted a non-creepy femme race to play.

And The WoW Diary by John Staats, who also was a WoW dev, said this (emphasis mine again):

We were also puzzled by the high churn rate in Korea (25 percent). Churn was the measure of how many people were quitting the game. North American churn was amazingly low, at only 5 percent. The producers had expected a lower churn in Korea and sent inquiries to those quitting as to why they dropped out of the game. After looking at two years of Korean gaming magazines, it was apparent the Koreans didn’t enjoy playing the “monster races” of the Horde. In Korea, monsters were to be killed, not played, so it was beginning to look like the Korean servers might not be as full as we had anticipated.

So no I didn’t make it up. The WoW devs themselves basically said blood elves were added to be essentially the opposite of the Horde, while being part of the Horde—particularly to appeal to players from Korea.

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It worked.

“We won’t give you High Elves because the population is too small so instead we’ll give you Void Elves, a small group of elves that are essentially just students in some dude’s class.”

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I don’t personally think the Horde lost anything with the Void Elves being added. This was what other people were saying at the time. I’m fairly certain everything I said was accurate.

The Alliance has more customization options for all of their races. You’re right, it isn’t balanced.

I think the idea that Blizzard has to give both factions even rewards (which they attempt and fail at) only holds the devs back.

Either way, if people feel like they’re losing something because someone else gained something, then that’s a personal issue that they should probably work on.

OK, I don’t understand why you think this is a valid point. AGAIN, the events of WC3 happened, the Blood Elves WERE going to join the Horde. My entire point was that they were going to be joining the Horde either way, your point really doesn’t add anything.

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I really hate how you just broke down their lore in a sentence in the most perfect way. 10/10

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